This is an example of comments that are hurting HN's quality.
Absolutely nothing useful to add to the discussion, just snark. Yet for some reason its the highest voted comment.
Absolutely nothing useful to add to the discussion, just snark. Yet for some reason its the highest voted comment.
In this case, the problem is that DNS is a distributed database, and the idea that people are hosting websites with all of their DNS from a single provider that is at the same time acting as their registrar (whose only purpose in the DNS infrastructure is to mediate your ability to change your DNS servers and renew your account) is horrific: it means something horrendously wrong has occurred in this community.
Meanwhile, the comments here are just strange: people talking about "switching providers without downtime" when the whole point of how DNS works is that you can have arbitrarily many servers and thereby have multiple providers hosting your zones at once. To even have a webpage in the first place you had to setup DNS, and if you somehow skipped that step then you probably skipped tons of other important steps. :(
Reading this entire thread is thereby just depressing: this isn't some advanced corner case of A/B testing leading to improved knowledge of how to do pricing, this is web hosting 101. Yet, somehow, we have 308 upvotes and 238 comments that have been left about an outage of a single provider for the only component in the entire stack of a website where you almost have to go out of your way to not have fault tolerance.
Then, as opposed to trying to get this discussion out of the way as soon as possible, we are just being flooded with a combination of people claiming that this is important, and that those who disagree are being "snarky", combined with opportunistic bloggers submitting tutorials like the "GoDaddy Outage: How to Migrate to AWS Route 53" that was just posted.
Therefore, I will claim that it isn't drivebyacct2 that is indicative of a loss of HN quality: it is instead that somehow any of this was relevant in the first place, and that once posted it keeps spreading. I can understand people being interested when AWS or Heroku or even GitHub goes offline, but no one on Hacker News should care if GoDaddy DNS goes offline.
I don't know why people are upset about talking about GoDaddy. Its interesting news.
I admit that I know very little about DNS, to the point where I don't understand large parts of your post. I have a website, and I vaguely remember doing stuff to get the domain name to resolve, years ago. I know roughly that DNS translates domain names to IP addresses, but not much more. I'm okay with not knowing much more than that. I'm confident I can learn if necessary, but so far I've been learning the prerequisite knowledge of other fields.
If I was using godaddy, this thread would be helpful to me.
The biggest pressure here is speed, though. A timeout on a failed DNS lookup is an eternity when you're aiming for sub-second page loads.
You're attempting to marginalize GP's comment as "snark," but I'm not seeing it.
> ^ Some authorities proscribe the last sense, "contradiction of circumstances and expectations, condition contrary to what might be expected"[2], but it has been common since the 1600s.[3]
Close enough for government work.
Definitional pedantism aside, I think my point is clear.
Nice try though.
Also, read that definition again. It is not archaic, it is modern "it has been common since the 1600s". This definition was pulled from wiktionary.
So to review, I dared use the word "irony" in an informal fashion, and you are a snarky pedant.
A potential solution to get this fixed:
1. SNRKY_COMMENTS = {MODs manually tag comments such as OP}
2. SNRKY_UPVOTERS = {Users who upvote SNRKY_COMMENTS}
3. Vote = Vote * 0.5 , if user(Vote) ∈ SNRKY_UPVOTERS
There are guidelines surrounding commenting/submissions here: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Just knock it off and get back to posting interesting discussion. If you're not doing that, you're contributing to the "hurting of HN." And I'm well within my understanding of hypocrisy and irony to be aware of the fact that I'm committing this exact fault, so thanks for pointing that out, you're so intelligent.
Sure, it may be snark but I sure as hell hope it motivates at least one more person to switch. And apparently it has, unless I'm failing to detect sarcasm on one of the other replies.
This entire conversation should be useless because there shouldn't be people here still using GoDaddy.
The problem was, the malware was only visible when the referrer was "Google", so they claimed there was nothing wrong. For weeks.
Either way, when it came down to it, one of their other shared clients were compromised and their sandboxing was rather insufficient leading to most of the clients on that box having some sort of malware installed. I'm sure the person in question was targeted because it looked like a standard install and frankly, if I was targeting shared hosting providers, I'd create my malware to be easy to integrate with WordPress.
I hope that makes it more clear why I find it to be GoDaddy's fault. In the end of the day, they understood what was wrong, apologized and fixed it.
Even so, you never answered my original question. How'd you determine it was a sandboxing problem rather than your own WordPress installation being compromised? Seems even less so considering you didn't realize you had to update WordPress yourself.
They. Told. Me. It. Was. Their. Fault.
Try registering for a domain and get an idea of how aggressively and unabashedly they try to upsell you things you have zero need for, how difficult they make it to "transfer" domains. Generally, these practices are good signs of trouble, and a good hint that it's better to take business elsewhere. I should not have to spend hours upon hours wading through BS to do trivial tasks.
It is slightly misleading (since the default search box is for .com), but all it says is "DOMAINS FROM 3.99"
which is absolutely true. Some .info domains go for as low as $3.99
That is nowhere near as bad as GoDaddy's upselling crap PLUS namecheap's configuration and control panels are really nice to use.
Comparing GoDaddy to NameCheap is like comparing MySpace (before the last major redesign) to Facebook. They both have to make money somehow (and so have certain lame tactics to be competitive), but NameCheap is obviously lightyears beyond godaddy in any informed persons mind (ESPECIALLY when actually using the service after having paid for it... NameCheap's control panels are the best i've ever seen anywhere)
You really think they'd resort to deception for an extra 50 cents per month? Ignorance before malice.
Check this out for real-time query speed testing: http://cloudharmony.com/dnstest
(And yeah, looks like GoDaddy is a solid "Test failed" still...)
Funny note after running the test a few times--the worst performing provider is the one whose salespeople contact me the most...
Their UI is there to provide one purpose, confuse user's into buying stuff. It seems to have worked for the most part.
I think we just need to remember that most people reading HN is not the target audience GoDaddy is looking for (IMO).
I would call that a technical issue, even though it probably only affects web crawlers.
1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2964084 2: http://rscott.org/dns/GoDaddy_Selective_DNS_Blackouts.htm
So, now what do we switch to?
- No Up-sells - Simple intuitive clean powerful UI - Pricing transparency - Security - Innovative management tools for handling larger domain portfolios
DNS functionality will be rolled out in the coming month.
But I've also been migrating my domains away from GoDaddy for purely technical reasons.
One is that the UI is constantly changing, with its sole goal to be deliberately counterintuitive. There are key places where it tells you click on a link, without just offering the link right there, so you have to hunt it down on the page. Crazy.
But the worst one is that I can no longer read their emails in mutt. At all. It was refreshing to get simple notifications from Namecheap that were short and easy to read.
You can communicate constructively and effectively without being so asinine. Here is an example of your initial comment with a bit kinder language:
Unfortunately, GoDaddy's services are often quite lackluster. I would urge current users to switch all their Godaddy-hosted services to other, more reliable providers.
Also, always remember to follow security best-practices such as using secure passwords, conducting regular backups, and the like.
There, was that really so hard?