The point of AML/KYC regulations isn't to stop all crime, just like the point of US sanctions on Russia isn't to stop all Russian exports. In both cases it's to raise the cost of doing business for the entity being targeted. In the case of Russia, they can still sell their oil to India or whatever, but at a steep discount. In the case of drug cartels, they can still get their funds into the regular banking system, but also at a steep discount. Smuggling pallets of dollar bills across the border and setting up a network of front companies is expensive. Doing all that also which implicate them in even more crimes, so even if there's no evidence of them smuggling fentanyl, they can be prosecuted purely on the basis of having a car full of cash.
>I have money from my grandad, received 40 years ago. No one really has records going back that far but you try buying a house and they want proof of the origin of the funds.
The better question is why are you were sitting on cash for 40 years. In that time inflation already ate 66% of the value, and if you factor in the opportunity cost of not investing the money in stocks/bonds, the loss is even greater.
I've handled a couple of these for family members and the amount of paperwork around even a minor inheritance can be pretty impressive.
If I showed up with 50K in cash at the tellers window or a local notary to pay in part for a house tomorrow morning though I would expect the conversation would be an entirely different one.
I've been in business for 42 years now. In all that time I have never seen more than 1000 Euros cash in any kind of business transaction, and I have never been offered to be paid in cash. It's always bank transfers on invoice. I've never bought a vehicle cash, I can't even begin to understand why or how someone would want to buy real estate cash. Besides the obvious risks of being robbed the whole idea of keeping that much money or more around in physical form feels strange to me.
Even in the 1980s when I would buy a vehicle it would be through a bank transfer. The only people that sometimes insist they want to do some transaction in cash are usually marketplace sellers that I suspect are professional sellers that are keeping their income out of sight of the taxman and restaurants where the POS machine 'just broke' that are doing the same. And when I say I do not have any cash and it's ok they can send me an invoice or give me their bank account number suddenly their machine starts working again. Ditto with cab drivers.
Just because there isn't more than 1000 Euros cash in people's hands is simply an indictment of the Euro as a currency and the culture around it.
OP could literally just put it in the bank, sit on it for a year, and there’d be zero questions. They are mostly only interested in knowing that you didn’t get this money from a different loan that they aren’t aware of (like a personal loan, or one you got two days ago that hasn’t yet been reported).
You can make the same argument about literally any crime deterrence measure though? For instance having drug search dogs at airports probably makes it harder for the indie drug trafficker to get drugs through, but probably isn't going to do much against organized crime networks with insiders working at the airports and/or bribed officials.
I can't just walk up to your doorstep, make your sister take my drug dog, and force her to walk it around your bedroom and then punish her if she doesn't do it.
But since you don't know when the government is going to ask for it, you need to collect it from everyone all the time, otherwise you won't have it to satisfy the request. "What do you mean you don't know who your customers are?" is not a question you want to have to answer in the face of a warrant.
In fact it's worse than that in some ways as I had an investment advisor who bought and sold stuff and I don't know if I have records of what exactly.
And saying "gift from dead parents" wasn't enough to placate them? They wanted receipts? I get asked about source of funds all the time, but I don't think I've ever been asked to provide proof.
The proof I did use - a more recent inheritance, I could probably use multiple times as there doesn't seem any check on you doing that. The system is not very organized.
That's not a better question; that's just ignoring reality. Who cares why they were sitting on cash for 40 years? People should be able to do whatever they want with their money, even if it's not the most financially advantageous thing.
Okay...
This makes zero sense.
I have bought a house, and they want bank records going back like a few months or maybe a year at most. If that money has been sitting in an account for that long, nobody gives a shit where it originally came from. Like, if you had $100,000 for a down payment, they’re not checking the last twenty years of your paystubs to make sure the math checks out.
The only thing they really are interested in is knowing this money didn’t just appear out of nowhere because you got a personal loan from someone or because you got a conventional loan from a lender that hasn’t reported it to a credit reporting agency yet, and which would affect the decision to underwrite your loan.
If you’ve just been holding on to large sums of literal cash dollar bills for the last 40 years, that is such a comically ridiculous financial decision I don’t even know what to tell you.
I had to juggle with this a little bit because I had sold some crypto for the down payment, but it's crypto that I had been keeping in a hardware wallet for years. As a result, I could certainly generate records showing how long I'd had it, but they'd be my own records based on the blockchain--not from any bank.
They ended up accepting transaction records from Coinbase, though even those mostly just showed some Bitcoin being received into the account and then being sold before transferred to the bank. But I guess that was enough for them.
In any case: I did ask about it and they told me it wasn't actually for KYC laws or money laundering. The reason they want a paper trail is to make sure you didn't actually just borrow the money from someone else. And that makes sense, since they're super picky about you not opening any new lines of credit while trying to close the mortgage.
The point of a down payment is to make it so the borrower has an incentive to not default on the loan, because the borrower would lose the down payment.
If the down payment is actually borrowed money as well (like suppose you get a credit card advance for the money), then the borrower won’t lose anything if they stop paying the loan, and there is increased risk that the loan defaults.
Fannie Mae's assessment criteria for origin of funds has a time limitation. If that money has been in an account you control, for forty years, "origin of funds" is not a question. I want to say the cut off is something like 36 months, but it may be even less.
Helpfully, all this information is public: https://selling-guide.fanniemae.com/sel/b3-4.3/verification-...