White House in Talks with Intel for 10% U.S. Government Stake
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Can someone explain this ideological whiplash?
Perhaps a lot of R voters didn't have a problem with that because they somehow assumed that enacting a bunch of tariffs wouldn't result in higher prices for them.
Perhaps you mean the tariffs which he promised that other countries will pay for?
My boomer parents genuinely believed Trump had and would continue to reduce their taxes. When confronted with tariff facts they counter with more spin, like "he's just negotiating" or "it'll make the economy so much stronger".
Before I learned it was an infamous political meme immortalized by the fallout from WWII, I heard that claim recited in utter sincerity in the 1990s by a woman who had been a teenager in Italy during that period. Even after what happened with Mussolini, she still believed.
They literally flipped inside the last decade.
Republicans are the party of the dominant group and maintaining their power. Democrats are the party of the non-dominant groups and speading power across groups. Everything else is just chips to push these two agendas. And I think this is why Republicans will have a long-term advantage. The dominant group is by definition the group in power and its the group that people eventually want to be in (see Hispanics). No one wants to stay in the out-group.
I also think this claim is falsifiable by the homogeneity of party views. The stereotype of a Republican is pro-gun, anti-abortion, yeehaw. In reality? Only 24% of Republicans completely oppose abortion [1] and only 27% think gun laws should be less strict. [2] The party has become extremely heterogeneous. By contrast, stereotypes on Democrat views are somewhat more accurate with 86% thinking gun laws should be more strict, and 56% supporting abortion at any time, for any reason.
Were the Republican party supporting some specific 'group', you would expect to see a general homogeneity of views. And were the Democrat party supporting a large number of otherwise relatively independent 'groups', you would expect to see a general heterogeneity of views. Instead, we see something much closer to the exact opposite.
[1] - https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.as...
[2] - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts...
For instance the most recent election was decided by the economy. People that thought the economy was excellent/good voted for Harris by a margin of about 92%. Those who thought it was mediocre/poor voted for Trump by a margin of 70%. [1] And it turned out that way more people thought the economy was bad than those that thought it was good.
This led to the best result ever for a Republican for both blacks and hispanics, with Trump outright winning Hispanic males. All the while the Democrat party flailed about with this identity stuff that not only do people mostly not care about, but that also pushes away folks like me that are liberal but vehemently against political correctness, identity politics, etc.
[1] - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
It’s better for their won ego to vote to keep a white man at the top, even if he committed treason, than to see someone they perceive as below them go past them. For many, it even works to keep their same group down, because it can feel like a personal failure to not achieve more (such as women who would rather vote for a man).
This is one of the truest quotes there is, and it can be generalized to all people, not just white men:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-wh...
Dems lost twice with a highly qualified woman candidate, against a highly unqualified man candidate.
Obama? Coherent, intelligent, charismatic, and not only won by 10million+ votes, but also received more votes than any President at that point to date. I'm not fond of the guy (even if I voted for him, once) yet his speeches still literally give me goose bumps. He has an amazing rhetorical ability, which is the money shot in politics. By contrast, if he had the same traits/skillset as Harris or Clinton, he would have also been stomped and you would have been here arguing that people didn't vote for him because he was black.
People, in general, just don't really care about identity. Run particularly bad candidates and you're going to lose. Run particularly bad candidates while repeatedly claiming the sky is falling, and you're going to lose and imperil your ability to succeed in the future.
What the Republicans are good at, and how they've convinced you that they're the right choice is they openly attack certain positions they feel they have strength in and know that Dems need to defend. Like trans people. Dems know that sticking up for trans is a losing proposition, but they also know that this is what they do -- they stand for those who are most oppressed. Gay marriage 20 years ago was the same thing.
And what Republicans do with a relatively loud dog whistle is indirectly attack identity. Go and look at relatively mainstream conservative forums and search for the term "DEI hire" or "DEI admit". The actual qualifications don't matter. They aren't requesting nuance, it's simply "black = DEI hire" and "white male = merit hire". Look Trump's cabinet. Conservatives say not a peep about their qualifications and routinely disparage others. Another example is crime. I'm sure you've seen the online memes about "well, well, well" or "13/50". It's a way to disparage black people in the context of crime. The fact that this stuff floods social media can only be attributed to widespread empathy for this position or bots.
And you're right that Dems do flail about identity, because they are actually trying to address the elephant in the room. But they need to do better to make it focused more on the subtext. Rather than advocate for LGBTQ rights, fight for universal parental leave rights.
Trumps legacy will have very little to do with the economy except for a failed attempt at mass scale tariffs (which honestly aren't nearly as good nor bad as people narrate -- but its just narrative). It will be around identity issues. It will be his attacks on removing identity from history, his attacks on higher education, his disenfranchising minority voters, his deporting of immigrants (legal and illegal), attacks on birthright citizenship. Plus some non-identity issues, which mostly relate to his power: war in Ukraine and prosecutions of enemies.
So make no mistake that while Republicans don't flail about identity (because they're much better at being on message), it is absolutely that tie that binds. It is the foundation. Everything else about small government, states rights, etc... all those principles fall apart. Identity is the one thing that withstands scrutiny. We both prefer it weren't so, but it is.
And extrapolating your online bubble to real life is unwise. For instance poll the majority of people, Democrat or Republican, on DEI and the most common answer you'd get is 'What's DEI?' When told what it stands for, most would take the meaning literally and generally support it. When they see how it plays out in practice, opposition would grow. You can see this here [1] where in 2023 only 16% of workers felt DEI was a bad thing.
[1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/19/views-of-...
There's no actual indicator that people actually vote on the economy. When it's bad you vote for your party, and when its good you do too. In part because when its bad its the other guy's fault. When its good, your team did it. There's no actual substance to economic data that will change voting.
Regarding "my online bubble" -- it's not mine. Give me any major news story regarding a black person and crime and I can give you a link of comments in 30s. You pick the story. I'm not going to 4chan. This is just reddit, TikTok, YouTube, Insta.
On DEI, I'm similar to the people polled. I think in spirit its a good idea, but poorly implemented. But the fact that I think doesn't mean I look down on every black person hired. This is like people conflating BLM the organization with BLM the sentiment. I'm sure you've seen the interviews of people about "CRT" -- they immediately say they're opposed to it. When asked why they say, "I'm not really sure what it is, I just know I don't like it".
[1] https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2025/08/14/trumps-elect...
The point about online bubbles is that what you read online isn't representative sample of what people in the real world are like. People who post online are a vocal minority that disproportionately often hold fringe views that typically become even more fringe over time due to the radicalizing effect of the echo chambers that most prefer to post in.
Many of these moves and strategies make sense when viewed through the lens of organized crime shaking down companies, governments, private organizations, and such.
As to why they still have supporters - I can't really explain that aside from "they're hurting the right people."
Don't underestimate how hard it is to admit you're wrong when you're strongly invested in an ideology which is:
I'm always correct, I'm always winning, I'm strong, I'm alpha and nothing is every my fault nor am I ever responsible for anything
I interact with MAGAs on Reddit, it's sadistic but I really cannot stop because I just cannot believe people believe in the things they do. All I can say is these people have really really bought the lies, hook line an sinker. It's dangerous and I don't see how it's going to change anytime soon. The only way I see the spell breaking is economic catastrophe, even then these people would believe it's not Trump's fault, or the current admins fault, it would be Biden's fault.
Intel's death would be very embarassing to that whole effort. So Intel has incentives (survival) and the administration has incentives (jobs in the US). The method is "whatever can be claimed as a win".
No US party seems particularly capable or keen to hold an ideological line but especially not the GOP from what I've seen. Not saying other countries have particularly impressive parties either. I'm less than thrilled with ours over here.
I really wonder how 10% stake in Intel will fix anything practical ?
I'm not sure Intel was asking for this.
It seems like a better approach would've been to broker a deal (he likes deals, right?) where companies like Apple and Nvidia (companies that are currently dependent on TSMC) would've been incentivized to make investments in Intel.
Please don't credit the current administration with wanting to do something beneficial here. Biden signed the CHIPS and Science Act in 2022 for $52.7 billion is appropriations for semiconductor R&D.
With that on the line a lot of principles are just plain unimportant.
Hell even Democrats are falling inline behind him on China. D.C. seems to think this is a make or break moment for the long term success of the country.
The "let's just do whatever helps those in power gain more power" is a better match for what is happening.
I mean Canada doesn't really have the choice to do that. They are too dependent on America to really do much but just accept whatever we say. Maybe they can start reorienting themselves for a future in 10-20 years where they can meaningfully ramp up EU/China trade but for now they just accept whatever the USA says.
It's like when the last election was all "elbows up" then it turned out they had folded instantly and just hid it from their population.
And why is this happening? "America First" means helping people that live in America; what part of this helps people living in America?
But if you look at the affects of Trumps policies, such as stagnated manufacturing jobs, and huge uncertainty around tariffs, and Trump's willingness to blow up trade negotiations with Canada because Canada changed their policies about the middle east; just overall, Trump's not doing things that help us beat China.
We also see things like the US tends to reward those working in finance more than people working in engineering or just doing regular work. Income tax is higher than capital gains tax in America, this is a political choice we have made that rewards those who move money and capital around, but we give less reward to those who work or build things. Meanwhile in China they go out of their way to punish those in finance with government enforced caps on financial industry wages and such; they're trying to make sure their society is set up to reward engineering, building things, and regular work more than it rewards moving money around.
If I recall, America was in a "make or break moment" back during the Cold War/Desert Storm/Iraq/etc. seems that we're still running...
When Trump says "America First" he means "Trump First". Insofar as this administration is concerned about winning a purported AI race, it's so that they can make money off of it. Trump views money collected by the government as his own personal slush fund, so this 10% of Intel is about him personally getting ownership of the AI race now. It has nothing to do with setting America up for the future, let's be clear.
Okay, there is ideology. But it's a bunch of different people with very different ideologies and goals.
The dynamics are characterized mostly by institutions and rules rather than ideology.
The idea of liberalism was to get the institutions correct and so create a stable democracy.
If you destroy the institutions then the ideology behind why you did it doesn't matter. Just like it doesn't matter why you remove a load bearing wall in a building. You're at the mercy of primate emotions and everything tends toward oligarchy. That was just as true in the Soviet Union as in countless other countries throughout history.
Oligarchy is an attractor, and you need careful planning to avoid the whirlpool.
Maybe dump isnt really a racist, or a crystal rubbing brain worm yoga mom... but he sure tricked them into voting for him. He actually did more than most politicians and actually did each of them a tiny solid rather than just ignore them after winning too
Not all politicians are like that. The Republican party has been very focused on that.
"All politicians bad" thinking damages the work of the many people fighting for a better and more just world. There are even politicians in conflict areas that give their lives trying to fight cartels or terrorist groups. "All are the same" is degrading for us all humans.
Biden voted to make same-sex marriage Illegal [1] and later for legalizing same-sex [2]. A bit interesting that his running mate neglected to legalize it and instead just didn't defend it in court (Imagine how people would talk if Trump refused to defend a law in court, lol!)
But yeah, some politicians like Bernie actually have been consistent their career while others like Ron Paul just make a big talk about their stances but then vote to inflate the deficit anyways.
I like Bernie too but he is nuts. He's a far left voice who is often quite rational, we need someone like him to bring things back towards the center, but I doubt he'd be a good president.
As European I see Bernie as center-right, but I guess it is a matter of perspective.
The cognitive dissonance is what blows my mind, this applies to almost every topic.
Borders? Well according to them borders are the most important thing ever, border security etc. Yet Ukraine? Well f** their borders, they're just something Putin can play with and that's totally fine according to them?
The ideology seems to be, "Whatever aligns with my or the great leaders world view, is good and I'll tell whatever stories I have to justify it to myself and others.".
Yes. The party used to be conservative; now it's populist. They are two very different ideological positions. It changed under Trump. It's the same party in name, but a totally different ideology. Many traditional conservatives have gone along with it because the party still slashed taxes, which has been their main goal for a long time. They care much more about lower taxes than government ownership.
I don’t think there’s ideology in politics any longer. And it’s even hard to predict what industries and firms are in favor.
The ideology is whatever Trump says.
Yay.
But I'm not sure he can pull it off. He's too stiff. He doesn't have "it" - whatever "it" it is that Trump has.
Obama is now equally as famous IMO but he got there through his career. Not because of it.
Recently Charlie Rose [1] interviewed Michael Wolff,[2]
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlrRr4ljLFM
who just published his fourth book on Trump, and who labelled Trump sui generis:
> Sui generis (/ˌsuːi ˈʒɛnərɪs/ SOO-ee ZHEN-ər-iss,[1] Classical Latin: [ˈsʊ.iː ˈɡɛnɛrɪs]) is a Latin phrase that means "of its/their own kind" or "in a class by itself", therefore "unique".[2] It denotes an exclusion to the larger system an object is in relation to.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sui_generis
A unique personality that happened to come along at a unique time, and who which probably cannot be replicated.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Rose
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wolff_(journalist)
Once heard the idea that this is one of the 'features' of democracies: built-in succession planning.
Easily. It's called fascism, one of the cornerstones being the marriage of industry and state. It has long been the marching direction of the US power structures, whether the individual participants cop to it or not. It has been an unwritten rule for decades and now it's just becoming more blatant. Republicans are not experiencing whiplash as much as they are becoming self-aware of their actual desires. There is a minority of the republican party that actually values small government (my respect goes out to them), but most of the party's actions to this end have been an obscene minority compared to their constant desire to either regulate morality via government overreach or enshrine their big business butt buddies into monopoly status.
While I feel the democrats are guilty of many of the same things, they are still a faction of what I would call the "capitalist-imperialist party." The GOP has been splitting off into the "fascist-imperialist party" for many years, which is likely one of the reasons for the political divide.
https://time.com/7173651/democratic-party-alignment-history/
The Democrats moved from working class to the professional managerial class and the Republicans in reverse.
Democrats are just bad all around, bad at messaging and bad at achieving things, but at least they mostly don't make things worse, and people with enough time invested in understanding politics (a minority of people) see that. When things do get worse and Democrats are in charge, Republican messaging is effective at convincing people it's the Democrats' fault (which it kinda is because they did nothing to stop it, and kinda isn't because they did nothing to cause it, and in any case the Republicans are even worse but good at saying they're not).
The Republican Party circa 2012 no longer exists. The hood ornament looks the same, but the car is completely different.
This was their position just a few months back. This was the reason DOGE existed. At least that's what they said.
But it was never about that. It was always about the fact that they felt that they didn't have control of the government so they didn't want it dictating terms to them. Now that they have control and believe they always will -- now they believe that government should control everything.
> Can someone explain this ideological whiplash?
You've misidentified the ideology. It's "might makes right" not "let's do capitalism".
They literally have no political North Star at this point. It is the whatever Trump says goes for the spineless Republicans and do-nothing Dems.
Before: hands-off economic liberalism.
Now: doing what seems best for ones own nation state.
See “Return of the Strong Gods” by RR Reno for an interesting explanation of lots of puzzling behavior from major political parties.
https://www.metaltechnews.com/story/2025/07/16/tech-metals/d...
Because of this, unfortunately, Intel is too big too fail.
Okay, so Taiwan is blockaded or invaded by China. The USA has a 3nm TSMC fab that they can assume control over, and, yes, they have the labor of that fab, great, but what about 2 nm? 1 nm? Etc? Without TSMCs R&D does the US have a cutting edge fab in 10 years? 20 years? Beyond? There is literally no other company in the United States that could even hope to expand their capabilities to be considered on the cutting edge within the next 15 years.
Again, it is a net positive for the US to have TSMC manufacture chips on US soil, so I am not arguing against that point, I simply posit it is not enough from a US national security / technology leadership standpoint.
Welcome tho the People’s Republic of the Soviet States of America.
Heh. State socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_socialism
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_charact...
This is Too Big To Fail on steroids.
> citizens in general will be able to share in the fruits of the technology, similarly to how Alaskan citizens get payments from petroleum
The alternative approach is right there in your answer. Like in Alaska or Norway, tax the winners and apply the benefits to citizens.
Sadly, we are going the other way both on taxation and benefits. The good news is we can at any time choose to live differently. Some might debate whether we could maintain our competitive business environment if Intel or Nvidia paid a tax rate comparable to yours, but perhaps it's worth a try?
Domestic chip production is a national security interest. Frankly the US should be funding one or more companies to expand their fab capabilities.
Founder: Jerry Sanders
Headquarters: Santa Clara, California
A quick ChatGPT search tells me Intel owns none of it's own stock, so I'm confused. It tells me a company can sell newly created stocks and dilute the value of the old stocks. I didn't know this was possible. Is this the proposed case?
They'd be happy to nudge them from blue states (e.g. Hillsboro and Santa Clara) to red states.
Honestly, throwing more money towards Intel without breaking it up is just going to increase the scale of the losses at this point. The internal culture is so broken that the likelihood of turning things around is negligible.
> Money earmarked for semiconductor company under Chips Act could be converted into equity
They’re already getting federal money.
Yes, absolutely, and it's a fairly normal process. How do you think VC investment works? Founders take funding in exchange for diluting their ownership. Further investment rounds dilute all shareholders, including big investors from prior rounds. IPOs often involve issuing new shares, further diluting existing investors. Acquisitions can even result in zeroing out some classes of equity.
Existing investors put up with it because either a) they believe their diluted shares will end up being worth more in the long run, because the new investment is critical to growth or success, or because b) they don't have enough voting power to stop it.
Corporate structure and ownership is just a legal fiction. There's no set number of slices that a company is cut into, and contracts, terms, by-laws, etc. can change that at any time.
Not to say there is never any funny business: with private companies who don't have a market for their stock the 'fair value' is not obvious and you can play games with that number to dilute away the ownership of people who don't have board seats.
You'll get some people that are amazing and committed, but the rest are just kinda happy to be there. I wish govt comp was better and more competitive.
or worse, the government runs Intel into the ground while constantly taking more taxes to prop it back up.
Incompetent private companies eventually dissolve. Uncle Sam can siphon your paycheck in perpetuity.
It's not inherently wrong to want to prop up American chipmaking, but it is wrong to deny reality. No matter how much American scrip you put on the table, Intel's mistakes can't be undone faster than China can beat them.