They're swapping out hardware, which is why they're asking money for this to compensate the labor costs. Not saying this justifies it, but the title is misleading.
Maybe you live in a country where car thieves hack into cars left and right. Maybe you live in a country where thieves just tow your car in the middle of the day and don't care about your locks at all. Do you expect car maker to ship you free fixes against every scenario? Security is a spectrum. Make your police better if you don't like it.
/controversial opinion
Following the same logic: old phones, even iphones can be hacked. Should manufacturers replace the hardware?
The warranty is not that long, and I think the parent comment is talking about 6+ year old iphones that are definitely out of warranty.
If those should get replaced, surely that means each person buys one iPhone in their life, and then just gets free replacements forever, leading to the initial cost of the phone having to go up a lot to account for that.
There is no such thing as secure lock. Any lock could be open without original key. The difference is in the amount of effort.
Still baffles me that KIA sold cars which can be driven away using screwdriver and USB cable.
These in fact do exist, but they have properties unsuitable for many use cases, such as taking 8-24 hours to open if you lose the key/combination or a mechanical fault occurs, and being part of a system so heavy the floor beneath them have to be constructed to support the weight. (A friend of mine was a master locksmith for many years and worked on such locks, mostly for government contracts.)
In case of a lockout often the easiest way to open them is a brute force attack using a device called an autodialer.
It's intel's bug, they promised a certain processor speed, shouldn't it be their responsibility to replace it since their own security oversight resulted in the hardware not working as advertised?
Did you expect the same from intel/amd when those bugs came out? Is it different from this situation?
How have they advertised that? Was it clock frequency? Their mitigations mean it still runs at that clock frequency.
New CPUs are largely immune to the specific attacks that were published before they were designed. But we aren't gonna get a fast CPU without sidechannels and IMO it's not possible in theory to build a branch predictor that never makes potentially exploitable mispredictions.
In a sense this doesn't change your point but I wanted to take the opportunity to point this out. "This CPU is vulnerable to attack X" just means researchers have found an exploit in practice, which we already knew in theory was there.
This wasn't the expectation before Spectre/Meltdown but now we live in a world where you need to assume a degradation in your CPU's effective performance as we learn about its vulnerabilities and need to apply software workarounds.
I am building "one mitigation to rule them all" called Address Space Isolation but this doesn't fundamentally remove that fact, it just means that when we learn about a CPU's vulns we don't have to build a new mitigation we just have to change the settings on the existing one (and it should be more efficient than the bespoke one would be).
I believe the Mill hardware design would be immune by design because the hardware is in-order (relying on other trickery for its performance). Of course, it's still vaporware, but the noises made have been fairly competent.
So in some ways, yes, but in other ways, what if you didn't need a branch predictor in the CPU.
https://millcomputing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Sp...
Well yes you can dodge this problem by not having a branch predictor but note the way I formulated my claim ;)
But yeah, “patch” usually implies software vs. hardware.
Either way, agree with other comments that Hyundai should just eat the costs if it prevents theft due to an exploit.
Having said that, given what the car costs, the fee doesn’t seem completely unreasonable.
I have a Kia EV6, and just saying that if the same “patch” is offered for it, I won’t think twice about paying $65 for it.
I’d also not be super happy they didn’t cover it, but I saw a comment about never buying a Hyundai because of this, and not sure I’d be that upset about it.
There’s a line, for sure, but $65 wouldn’t be it, for me.
If you are employed in a position where there is a defect in the product then you are already being paid. Imagine going to a restaurant and you get an uncooked frozen steak, and when you tell the waiter they tell you that since the cook will need to spend more time on it you now have to pay extra.
If it turned out the door locks on the car were defective you'd expect them to be replaced under warranty. If the warranty had expired the situation would, admittedly, be a bit murkier - but you could still make a case that since the locks had always been faulty they'd be the manufacturer's responsibility.
Someone I used to work with had a car a few years ago on which the battery would mysteriously drain for no obvious reason. It turned out to be a defect in the infotainment system's firmware - and he was furious that he was expected to pay for the firmware update to fix it. (The car was long out of warranty, though.)
Go there and request a rare steak or idk steak with kimchi, let is know how it goes!
This is a Korean car and probably secure enough in korea where you usually don't lock your bike and/or house. If it not secure if you park it on the street in SF/London/Magadan/Capetown/Kabul are you sure they owe you a free "fix" for everything that may occur
Also, they need to secure it the international markets they're selling it in.
For internet security, you get everyone hack you from north koreans and beyond.
For house and car security it depends on what crime is in your location and how police work. Some places have almost zero so people literally don't care to lock doors. Some places need locks to stop opportunists. Some places you need electric fences and 24/7 security with guns and keep valuables in safes to hopefully slow down their removal until security comes. It's not comparable to cyber
If these people had bought a Korean market car in Korea and personally shipped it to the UK, yours would be a more compelling argument.
As it is, it makes no sense. If you choose to participate in a foreign market you do not get to abdicate responsibility for problems because they don’t exist in your home market.
McDonald’s, famously, adapts their menu to the location. Here’s a bulgogi burger they only sell in Korea: https://www.mcdonalds.co.kr/eng/menu/detail.do
Here’s another menu item exclusive to Korea https://www.mcdonalds.co.kr/eng/menu/detail.do
It is one of many local menu items available exclusively in Korea. What is absurd is that you make false assertions that can be checked faster than you can write your comment.
Do you genuinely think that Hyundai does not adapt the car to the market (did they accidentally put the steering wheel on the right, and just happen to send those cars to the UK?)? Every car company HAS to do this, if only because different markets have contradictory rules. E.g. Lights that are legal in North America do not meet the standards of other countries. The car HAS to be adapted to the market.