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Comment by jeffhuys | Hacker News Reader

Menu bar is on top on mac. I see it as the top bevel becoming a screen, not taking away from any screen real estate, actually FREEING up space for apps. I never see the notch anyway because my wallpaper is black.

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Until you want to do something full screen, then it might be a glaring black rectangle on top of the screen. The way to do it properly is to hide the camera in the thin bezels or somewhere else (inside the LCD, are we there yet?). This is just a lazy solution that designers probably even thought seems iconic.

But if you hide it in a small bezel or behind the LCD you will get significantly worse camera quality.

The quality is already insane if you think about how thin it has to be, with "glass" in front of it and the alu behind it. Pinch it with your fingers, imagine a CAMERA being thinner than that...

I feel like the only one that's still amazed by tech sometimes. I still look at planes and feel amazed we puny humans did that. It's never good enough.

I get what you mean, but to me it just looks like before there was a notch, like there's no screen there. I can't really tell where the bezel ends and the screen starts if it's all black. Just looks like a large bezel.

Guess it's just a matter of taste. I'm never bothered by it.

Full screen stuff isn't supposed to go behind the notch, unless they opt in to supporting it. By default, fullscreen stuff just gets the notchless 16:10 area under the menubar, and the menubar area goes black, so the notch becomes invisible and nothing is "glaring", it just looks like the top bezel of the screen is larger.

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