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Reporters killed and foreigners barred in Israel's battle for Gaza narrative

theguardian.com

45 pointszahirbmirza33 comments

From the article: “more than 180 Palestinian journalists were killed in 22 months of war, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists.”

This seems awfully intentional.

I remember reading that a majority of those "journalists" worked for hamas or were friendly towards hamas.

Aljazeera is hardly neutral on this conflict either.

Bearing in mind that you are also not immune to propaganda, and once a reporter or whoever else has been forcibly disassembled it's easy for the aggressor to say what they want about them.

The Israelis have been demonstrably dishonest about this conflict so I'd take anything they release about their war crimes with a grain of salt.

Should journalists who are friendly towards Israel be killed for that reason? I personally do not think so, so I’m surprised that you seem to be introducing that as a justification.

Not for ideology alone, but for example Abdallah Aljamal (a Palestine Chronicle writer) was holding hostages in his apartment.

Yes, one of those hostages was Shlomi Ziv. He tweeted in reply to the news about the elimination of Anus the Hamas propagandist https://x.com/shlomiziv86/status/1954790687502737743

There are claims of that but also lots of contradictory accounts that make that claim highly questionable .

And what of the other 179 journalists killed?

Why would you compare Israel and Hamas? One is a country, the other is a terrorist proxy.

And how do you seriously think pro-Israel journalists would be treated by Hamas?

I think calling Hamas a country is a stretch

Everything I have read points to that being propaganda, to try and excuse a genocide.

What is indisputable is that Israel has deliberately killed 10's of thousands of civilians, possibly 100's of thousands and has persecuted millions of Palestinians.

Care to share specifics on your Al Jazeera claims?

RE "... Israel has deliberately killed 10's of thousands of civilians,...." Hamas needs to also take responsibility for many of these deaths too. And I wonder how many of the quoted numbers are Hamas and how many are youth combatants?

The word civilians obviously excludes those involved in combat. There have been hundreds of thousands of civilians murdered and maimed by Israels deliberate actions. There is no lack of evidence for this. Looking to introduce false narratives does not alter that.

By Israel's rubric, turning 12 makes you a youth combatant and sweeping a broom at the Ministry of Transport makes you Hamas, so I guess it depends on who you ask.

How many of the Palestine journalists reported on Gazans’ protests against Hamas throughout the war?

Anas Al-Sharif conveniently ignored Gazans’ protests against Hamas throughout the war. Courage, apparently, applies only to reporting what Hamas wants the world to hear.

A journalist is murdered (deliberately, by the admission of the perpetrators) by an army that is carrying out a genocidal war against a civilian population, and this is your response? "But why didn't he report on XYZ?"

It's interesting how the BBC and other left media are reacting to the elimination of those Hamas members. When Ukrainians eleminate and assassinate Russian journalists there is little or no reaction, sometime some small celebrations. Mind you that Russian journalists act mostly as propagandists, while the one ones that Israel eliminated are members of Hamas military wing. In case of Gazan journalist Anus that Israel tore him up yesterday, there are videos of him jumping on the head of an Israeli murdered on Oct 7th.

You forgot to mention the 70 years of persecution leading up to october 7, anyone living under aparteid, seeing his/her familly suffer, can make bad decisions and ressort to violence. This does not change the fact the origin of said violence is Israel's colonisation and persrcution of the Palestinians.

And you forgot the 1300 years of Arab colonisation of Judea and Samaria, including mass slaughtering of Jews on multiple occasions?

“Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does it matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it’s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: We have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?”

Most Arab leaders in the region have no problems with making peace with Israel - it's actually only the terror organisations who refuse - Hamas, PLO, Iran, Huthis ...

And there is actually no confusion about the "Palestinians" in the Arab world - as Egypt annexed Gaza, they made it pretty clear that they will not allow an Arab state there and also that they will never accept Gazans as their equals. Same happened in Jordan after annexing the West Bank. No one really wants them in the region, because Palestinians are THE source of instability and they cost the Arab countries actually way too much. And basically the only reason why they support the Palestinian cause is the chance for political emancipation of the united Arab world from the western dominance.

That 'most' Arab leaders are happy to operate as clients of the US and are just as susceptible to race science nuttery as you are doesn't really mean much.

Anas Al-Sharif conveniently ignored Gazans’ protests against Hamas throughout the war.

Repeatedly and deliberately misspelling his name suggests to me that there aren't any such videos.

While the winners write the histories, their job is easier if the other narratives never existed.

Narrative Control and the new Furnaces of Orwell.

Note to Moderators - This is not a Dupe (in my opinion and I will respect your greater insight) from what I have seen published on this site so far. The subject of this article covers an important starting point for discussion; that of the power of narrative control, selective publication and control of access to information.

The reality is no one knows what is propaganda and what is not.

The guardian always publishes articles critical of Israel. Never has articles critical of Hamas.

Lots of downvotes but no evidence I'm incorrect .... What does a person make of that ?

You have a lot of comments that start with "OBSERVATION"

What are you trying to communicate here?

Ok I will remove the word OBSERVATION where I can still edit . But is it a problem ?

I actually went thru my last few pages of comments - the word has been used a very low percentage of time - just a few times ... so hardly "lots "

What did Hamas do recently? I haven't heard of what they did since Oct 7 2023.

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