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Besides what's public knowledge, I tend to put a bit of stock in our intelligence agency calling for PQ adoption for systems that need to remain confidential for 20 years or more

edit: adding in some sources

2014: "between 2030 and 2040" according to https://www.aivd.nl/publicaties/publicaties/2014/11/20/infor... (404) via https://tweakers.net/reviews/5885/de-dreiging-van-quantumcom... (Dutch)

2021: "small chance it arrives by 2030" https://www.aivd.nl/documenten/publicaties/2021/09/23/bereid... (Dutch)

2025: "protect against ‘store now, decrypt later’ attacks by 2030", joint paper from 18 countries https://www.aivd.nl/binaries/aivd_nl/documenten/brochures/20... (English)

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I don't want my government to keep secrets for 20 years. There is nothing I am OK with them doing that they can't be generally open about in time. Ex. the MLK files. No justification for the courts saying that the FBI files regarding MLK have to be kept under lock and key for 50 years.

I think that's a different discussion. Some people would like their chat messages to simply be secure until they die. So long as that's a valid desire, or one can think of another purpose for this, I think we can agree that it's worth considering whether PQC is worth implementing today

Also, 2030 isn't 20 years away anymore and that's the recommendation I ended up finding in sources, even if they think it's only a small chance

What if the 'secret' is your passport/id/tax records? Id like them to keep those secret for more than 20 years.

The common answer here is that they should destroy them instead.

Yes but if they're ever sent over an HTTPS connection that was established using ECDHE key exchange, anyone who recorded that can make it public in the future if quantum computers exist.

On the other hand - we already give our passport information to every single airline and hotel we use. There must be hundreds if not thousands of random entities across the globe that already have mine. As long as certain key information is rotated occasionally (e.g. by making passports expire), maybe it doesn't really matter

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