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Al Jazeera condemns the assassination of its journalists by the IOF

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According to Reporters Without Borders, Palestine is currently the most dangerous country in the world for journalists. About 200 have been killed there since Israel invaded. Israel has banned all foreign journalists.

Israel crossed all the red lines, and has defied all United Nations charters.

I think it shows clearly that the UN is just another extension of the US. They did have hearings about the rampant slaughter but mostly just sat there.

Situation in Gaza is horrible. But to be fair UN was kind of a joke for many years (from Srebrenica ethnical cleansing facilitated by UNPROFOR in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutchbat#Events trigger warning to how they made Iran chair human rights council recently https://www.reuters.com/world/irans-appointment-chair-un-rig...)

The international law is just there to use when it's convenient.

Had a friend who was out there as a charity worker to help clean up after Srebrenica. It was worse than documented publicly. Same demilitarisation failures and covering shit up in Lebabon. UN can get fucked.

I hope he or she is fine. I'm not sure I would be:(

Not really. 20 years of PTSD and mental health issues. He's doing much better now but it's still there.

Israel now has killed the entire Al Jazeera crew in Gaza. Anas Al sharif was reporting non stop since the genocide began, he was the last journalist standing in north Gaza.

This time it's not some collateral damage, they targeted him on purpose and are boasting about it. https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1954656049556062533

His will and last message https://twitter.com/AnasAlSharif0/status/1954670507128914219

The other side of the propaganda fence is this https://www.fdd.org/analysis/policy_briefs/2024/10/29/captur...

The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

The Source: an occupation army with arrest warrants for committing genocide.

And Qatar's media outlet is impartial?

Is Israel allowing any reporters? Why aren't media outlets hiring reports in Gaza? Why are gazans regarded as untrusted to report about their own matters?!

Also Al Jazeera is widely recognized as one of the best news agencies in the world.

> The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

Why would you believe this? Couldn't this be an example of toxic centrism?

Why is this downvoted? Seems to me to be a good question.

At least some of those journalists seem to be Hamas combatants.

"According to the IDF, [Anas] al-Sharif has served as head of a rocket launching squad and a member of a Nukhba Force company in Hamas’s East Jabalia Battalion"[1]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-gaza-documents-prove-... (2024)

Other side of Al Jazeera is not particularly pretty. No one reads that. One of their "journalist" reports on 7th October who was actually, well, there:

https://www.aljazeera.net/politics/2023/10/7/شهود-عيان-للجزي...

(Use translate)

The joy of killing civilians. Disgusting. My support is gone.

Edit: I can't reply. Forget your whataboutism. Hamas values the martyrdom of their civilians and the deaths of Israelis more than it cares about the Palestinians. That is the tragedy here: Hamas made them perfect victims and political capital.

To note this is not a binary decision. You don't have to support one side or the other. I don't. But holding one to account and not the other is not acceptable.

What about the 60,000+ civilians killed in Gaza? Do they not matter to you? Are Israeli lives more important to you or what?

This is literally the strategy of hamas, attack Israel, hide in airconditioned electrified tunnels under hospitals and schools, leave civilian population on the surface suffer when IDF tries to get to hamas and make sure it is publicized.

It's a wonderful 4d chess move unless of course you if you actually cared about Palestinians. Apparently there is a religious justification for it too. Their bandit state makes good use of it and the world laps it up

> But holding one to account and not the other is not acceptable.

But we only have diplomatic relations with one side and we only supply weapons to one side.

The military who's at trial for genocide is for sure a trusted source.

To be honest, it is Israel who is granting them credibility.

I can well imagine Al Jazeera aren't objective. But what other sources do I have? Journalists have been banned from Gaza - and why, if not to obscure information? If IDF is so desperate to censor what is going on, it is natural to disbelieve their narrative and to prefer the voices they are trying to censor.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, Vietnam... All of these had journalists on the ground and no one tried to ban them.

Journalists in Gaza are just as much journalists as journalists were in the USSR

This will be flagged, like previous content.

Why?

Because the only political position of silicon valley is profit

The official HN guide thing is

Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime... unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon

This story is politics/crime but sadly not an interesting new phenomenon.

Because hckrnews is for technology, and this has absolutely nothing to do with technology

There's plenty of other non-tech news here. Besides, the user base of HN is fairly smart, so reading their discussions from non-tech topics is often interesting.

> Because hckrnews is for technology

Could you quote the part of the posting guidelines where you see that?

If I link you some other non-tech items from the front page could you explain the difference?

One thing I've learned about the Middle East is that you have to give it a month before even considering the headlines. There isn't a single honest trustworthy media outlet out there. Everyone is partisan or tangled up in everything to some degree. That goes for ALL sides in this conflict.

The genocide has been ongoing for two years.

I'm surprised anybody still takes Al Jazeera at their word on anything. They're no more trustworthy than any Israeli news media. That is to say, not at all.

As for Al Jazeera crying that their journalists keep getting targeted, I'm wondering why I can't find any reports of non-Al Jazeera or non-Palestinian journalists being targeted, when other news media like BBC are more than happy to paint Israel in a terrible light (whether deserved or not).

> I'm surprised anybody still takes Al Jazeera at their word on anything. They're no more trustworthy than any Israeli news media. That is to say, not at all.

This.

And never forget there was an Al Jazeera journalist who worked for Hamas government and was found with hostages in his home https://nypost.com/2024/06/09/world-news/gaza-journalist-hel...

There is an interview with one of the victims out there, the Russian guy.

Israel's mainstream media is of course as sus as Jazeera when it comes to war coverage however there is hebrew language media that publishes lots of stuff that goes against governments line

From the article you linked:

Aljamal had written a column for Al Jazeera in 2019.

The Qatar-based outlet said Aljamal was never an employee.

Before his death, Aljamal was contributing to the Palestine Chronicle news outlet, where he wrote a plethora of stories covering the deaths of Palestinians in Gaza during Israel’s offensive.

There was literally an al jazeera tweet where they posted photos of journalists and Abdallah Aljamal was in that same list. I found out about this story from replies to the tweet

So "OK and?"

> I'm wondering why I can't find any reports of non-Al Jazeera or non-Palestinian journalists being targeted

Mostly because they're not there? Israel doesn't allow outside journalists into Gaza[1]:

In the letter, the 55 journalists write that "foreign reporters are still being denied access to the territory, outside of the rare and escorted trips with the Israeli military".

The escorted trips are highly controlled and often only to show tunnels that the military says are used by Hamas or weapons stores.

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68423995

Everybody forgets that Gaza borders with Egypt too. No one blames Egypt for not allowing humanitarian aid through that border but Rafah is open for passage of people apparently.

> Rafah is open for passage of people apparently

All sources I can find say the Palestinian side of the Rafah border is currently controlled by Israel, and has been for over a year.

If you have some credible sources that say something else then do share.

Looks like you are right and I am wrong.

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