Just apocalyptic language, with no openness to the idea that yeah, communism was a terrible system, but maybe that doesn’t automatically imply that contemporary capitalism is inherently the best system.
I find Chesteron's distributism an interesting one, and personally really admire cooperative societies.
To see this, get two people together and try to get them to agree on when capitalism started, or even what a country needs to be considered a capitalist country. Is it merely markets? If so then the Roman Empire was capitalist. Is it stock markets? Limited liability companies? Private property rights? All of the above? Who invented capitalism? If nobody did then is does it make sense to propose a replacement or is that like trying to propose a replacement for evolved things like natural wildlife ecosystems?
Once you realize that capitalism is just the naturally evolved system of mechanisms used to coordinate any advanced economy, the problem of discussing alternatives becomes clear. It doesn't make sense to try and propose a full alternative because capitalism is only really definable as "the thing that's not communism", so it's unclear what exactly you'd be proposing an alternative to.
As a naturally evolved system, the alternative to capitalism is therefore capitalism+some minor tweak. Not a radical overhaul.
> To see this, get two people together and try to get them to agree on when capitalism started, or even what a country needs to be considered a capitalist country.
this isn't actually an argument but an appeal; just because laypersons don't know how to frame something doesn't mean useful definitions don't exist > As a naturally evolved system, the alternative to capitalism is therefore capitalism+some minor tweak.
thats not a strong argument; people could have said the same thing about feudal arrangements and slavery or kings and emperors at one time in the pastBut OK, what's your definition?
I can imagine the end of Capitalism, and it looks like Star Trek.
I am an optimist and capitalism looks like success. It's the exact opposite of defeatism.
It's easy to see an exploitative system as success as long as one is on the side that does the exploiting.
You're just making things up as you go, aren't you? More then a million Yugoslavs left the country as "Gastarbeiters" to be able to feed themselves and their families. Inflation was high and people had to convert their salaries into German marks the same day they got pay checks, otherwise the money was worthless the next day. Basic goods were unattainable. People had to smuggle coffee, bananas and jeans across the border. Of course if you were a part of the red nobility, your life was easier as you got access to special stores and got to enjoy the fruits of the labor of your fellow equals.
People are people, top rich minority always finds ways to exploit poor majority under any system.
Switzerland has mandatory universal health insurance where everyone must purchase basic coverage. The government provides premium reduction subsidies for lower-income individuals and families to ensure affordability.
The unemployment insurance system provides benefits for up to 400 days (about 18 months) for those who lose their jobs, with the amount based on previous earnings. There are also programs for job retraining and placement assistance.
Switzerland’s public pension system that provides retirement benefits starting at age 64 for women and 65 for men. It also includes survivor benefits for spouses and children.
Comprehensive coverage for people with disabilities, including rehabilitation services, vocational training, and financial support for those unable to work.
Monthly child allowances are provided to families for each child until age 16 (or 25 if in education or training). Additional birth and adoption allowances are also available.
Social Assistance via means-tested program that provides financial support for basic living needs when other social insurance benefits are insufficient. This serves as the ultimate safety net.
Mandatory coverage for all employees that covers medical costs and income replacement for work-related and non-work-related accidents.
Paid maternity leave for 14 weeks at 80% of salary, along with job protection during this period.
Switzerland’s system is notable for combining mandatory insurance schemes with income-based contributions and government subsidies to ensure broad coverage while maintaining work incentives.
So maybe not mention Switzerland… Any of the examples would be called “far-left” (or worse) in the US of A
If I had to choose between being poor in America or being poor in North Korea I'd choose NK every day of the week and twice on Sunday
Y'all took the example, and dove right onto the wackiest parts of that example, huh? We also haven't met a continuum of godlike sycophants, so I guess space travel isn't possible for us at all yet lmao
And I think it's fair to point out that every vision of utopia necessarily comes at a high cost in blood and violence because you have to do something about the people who don't agree with the vision. Star Trek handwaves this away by saying humanity just "evolved" beyond their base desires and flaws and fully voluntarist socialism just works.
But without the Treknobabble and magitech, what's does the end of capitalism actually look like in a world where there are no easy solutions, and no benevolent space-elves descending from the heavens to save us from ourselves?
I'm sure you can imagine anything but that's not really helpful.
You said you do. So, tell us ! Claims require evidences.