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TBH, such a low price for so many working (!) features is an amazing achievement if not subsidized! What bothers me here, however, is...a provenance. Let me guess, it asks from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar, SMS archive, email, medical records and political views and attitude towards CCP and then does some shady syncs with .cn servers "just to keep you data safe in case a meteor hits you"... Sad.

ADDED: Oh, seems like some people like to pretend that the results of "some other" companies getting this information are totally, totally the same.

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Why is it so hard for americans to accept that china makes great tech without coping about "le CCP spyware!" - it seems so absurd, like why would the CCP want to know the heart rate of the type of guy who buys a 16 pound smartwatch? Why dont americans create 16 pound smartwatches?

>Why dont americans create 16 pound smartwatches?

Because labor is much more expensive in America. This is not a mystery

I don't think that's enough to explain it. What's the ratio of labor costs?

$15/hour in the US vs $2/hour in China

That would put an upper bound of 120 pounds for the USA manufactured watch with zero materials cost and all labor.

But American companies make their smartwatches in China.

Yeah, highly inflated e-mail job economy does that to you.

Labor is a factor but it helps to have the insane manufacturing synergies they have where almost all of the parts are made down the road from you.

Don't worry god emperor Trump will fix that.

No more safety and environmental regulations. Children can work full time. Union bosses get sent to the gulag. Forced labor camps for the homeless and criminals.

Because sinophobia, or put in a more crass way, racism, imperialism, and patriotism.

Why should I care if the Communinst Party of China is spying on me? They can't get at me. I have no connection to China. I have no property there and don't know anyone there. What are they going to do to me?

Bottom line is that everyone on the planet should be concerned with their own government's intelligence angencies more than any others. It's the people who can get at you in meatspace that you need to worry about.

They might not care that much about YOU unless you try to enter China at some point in your life.

But they REALLY care about the activites of Chinese people living abroad.

The CCP was operating secret 'police stations' in the UK and most likely elsewhere outside of their jurisdiction.

[0] https://news.stv.tv/west-central/chinese-secret-police-stati...

China hopes that if they sell enough some will end up on the wrists of military or intelligence personnel, or more likely the family members of such people.

You think american military or intelligence personnel is gonna go on aliexpress to buy a 16 dollar smartwatch?

Yeah, probably. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42853072

They don't need to do that they can just buy and pay american politicians directly just like Israel does.

Because APT will use any devices to infiltrate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSaix1C-UMI

If you'd read my blog post, you'd see that it functions just fine without access to those permissions.

You're also welcome to disassemble the APK to show where it is sending data to.

But, as I say, it works just find with an Open Source alternative if you prefer that.

Just like any other Apple Watch. Don’t see the difference between them and CCP (probably because I’m not American)

The difference between Apple and the CCP is that CCP is the one running the slave labor to make widgets, and Apple is the one paying for it and puts the sticker "Designed in California" to wash it off.

Implying all US electronics don't ask from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar, SMS archive, email, medical records and political views and attitude towards the US and Israel and then does some shady syncs with .com servers "just to keep you data safe in case a meteor hits you"... x)

This device seems to be supported by gadgetbridge (nightly), so that should at least take care of your privacy concern: https://gadgetbridge.org/gadgets/wearables/moyoung/

>"Let me guess, it asks from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar..."

Let me try to translate: I do not know fuck all about what it really asks but will let sinophobia and hypocrisy out in full colors regardless

Sounds like any Samsung or Google watch

Please don't pretend you don't understand that risks of Google/Apple maybe even Samsung getting the information is just "a tiny bit different".

To non Americans, and given the current political climate imposed by the American government, no it's not very different.

Yes, it's worse. Seven eyes almost certainly snoop on me, in partnership with those companies. CCP might, but even if they did, idgaf.

The thing is that in practice, if China knows my secret, they can't do much with it, first because I don't criticize China (I don't live there, I don't know there, why then ?), and the second, is that it is a rather isolated world. Unless you speak Chinese, they don't really care about you. So it's in some way "safer" (unless they resell the data to americans or israeli companies for 'advertising' purposes)

Five Eyes. Seven Eyes is a band, SevenEves is a book by Neil Stephenson.

> Let me guess, it asks from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar, SMS archive, email, medical records and political views

Like every app made by a US corporation does?

And before someone cries "whataboutism", I'm genuinely curious why as someone who isn't Chinese, and has no intention of visiting China, I should be more worried about the CPC than the CIA.

I'm not an American.

I'd trust the CCP a million times more than Google or Apple.

Trust with what? Why would you trust any government except your own to look out for you?

Why would I trust my own government to look out for me?

Trust with my personal data.

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