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Note it's not available to everyone yet:

> GPT-5 Rollout

> We are gradually rolling out GPT-5 to ensure stability during launch. Some users may not yet see GPT-5 in their account as we increase availability in stages.

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Weird. On the homepage for GPT-5 it says "Available to everyone."

This is one of these "best efforts" but also "lying a bit in marketing" is ok I guess.

On bad days this really bothers me. It's probably not the biggest deal I guess but somehow really feels like it pushes us all over the edge a bit. Is there a post about this phenomena? It feels like some combination of bullying, gaslighting and just being left out.

OpenAI does this for literally _every_ release. They constantly say "Available to everyone" or "Rolling out today" or "Rolling out over the next few days". As a paying Plus member it irks me to no end, they almost never hit their self-imposed deadlines.

The linked page says

> GPT-5 is here > Our smartest, fastest, and most useful model yet, with thinking built in. Available to everyone.

Lies. I don't care if they are "rolling it out" still, that's not an excuse to lie on their website. It drives me nuts. It also means that by the time I finally get access I don't notice for a few days up to a week because I'm not going to check for it every days. You'd think their engineers would be able to write a simple notification system to alert users when they get access (even just in the web UI), but no. One day it isn't there, one day it is.

I'll get off my soapbox now but this always annoys me greatly.

It annoys me too because as someone that jumps around to the different models and the subscriptions, when I see that it says it's available to everyone I paid the money for the subscription only to find out that apparently it's rolling out in some manner of priority. I would very much have liked a quick bit of info that "hey, you wont be able to give this a try since we are prioritizing current customers".

Yeah, and on the models page, everything else is labeled as deprecated. So as a paid user, I don't have access to anything that's not deprecated. Great job, guys.

Not the end of the world, but this messaging is asinine.

I am seeing it now in the Playground backend.

But available from today to free tier. Yay.

How would I even know? I haven't seen which model of ChatGPT I'm using on the site ever since they obfuscated that information at some point.

"what model are you?"

ChatGPT said: You're chatting with ChatGPT based on the GPT-4o architecture (also known as GPT-4 omni), released by OpenAI in May 2024.

Actually this trick have been proven to be useless in a lot of cases.

LLMs don’t inherently know what they are because "they" are not themselves part of the training data.

However, maybe it’s working because the information is somewhere into their pre-prompt but if it wasn’t, it wouldn’t say « I don’t know » but rather hallucinate something.

So maybe that’s true but you cannot be sure.

It's injected into their system prompt

...which is useless when the model gets changed in-between responses.

If you believe 'leaked system prompts', it tends to be part of the system prompt.

I believe most of these came from asking the LLMs, and I don't know if they've been proven to not be a hallucination.

https://github.com/jujumilk3/leaked-system-prompts

Hmmm? I have a dropdown showing which model I'm using right there on chat.com

https://i.imgur.com/X0MQNIH.png

Are you a paid user? I haven't seen a model selector in years.

The model should appear as a drop down at the top of the page.

What do you mean? It's front and center

If you can't see it, you're likely on the free tier and using the latest mini model.

Not true. I've been a paid user forever and on the Android app they have definitely obscured the model selector. It's readily visible to me on desktop / desktop browser. But on the Android app the only place I can find it is if I click on an existing response already sent by chatGPT and then it gives me the option to re-generate the message with a different model.

And while I'm griping about their Android app, it's also very annoying to me that they got rid of the ability to do multiple, subsequent speech-to-text recordings within a single drafted message. You have to one-shot anything you want to say, which would be fine if their STT didn't sometimes failed after you've talked for two minutes. Awful UX. Most annoying is that it wasn't like that originally. They changed it to this antagonistic one-shot approach a several months ago, but then quickly switched back. But then they did it again a month or so ago and have been sticking with it. I just use the Android app less now.

Sounds like there are a lot of frustrations here but as a fellow android user just wanted to point out that you can tap the word ChatGPT in your chat (top left) and it opens the model selector.

Although if they replace it all with gpt5 then my comment will be irrelevant by tomorrow

On desktop at least the model selector only shows GPT-5 for me now, with Pro and Thinking under "Other Models" but no other options.

When you start a new conversation it says "chatGPT" at the top. Tap that to select a model.

For the multiple messages, I just use my keyboard's transcription instead of openai's.

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