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Kagi has given me the most value per dollar out of any subscription I have ever had. I find the things I want much faster. I use the AI summarize; for example, to summarize YouTube video when looking for specific info or to summarize reddit web results. I also use Kagi Assistant everyday; usually several different models. Most importantly, my wife likes it. I find google almost unusable now. I can't go back. I will never go back.

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Seeing how Perplexity (my preference) or Kagi is much better than Google for 98% of queries, Google has indeed killed itself, at least for the time being. Xfinity has a one year free on Perplexity Pro, which is how I tested the switchover.

Early attempts at search-emabled AIs (e.g. ChatGPT) were nowhere near as good at first, so I stopped testing them against Perplexity/Kagi

For years I used pplx.ai extensively, but of late, chat.com (code, q&a) and gemini.google (youtube & web search) feel unmatched.

You really were heavily using it in late 2022/early 2023? It seemed... rough.

pplx.ai did RAG (with attachments) and web search (immediately after they pivoted from Twitter search aka "Bird SQL") way before other chat interfaces caught on. Their features were free & the product was sticky.

Just a note: pplx.ai redirects to perplexity.com; chat.com redirects to chatgpt.com

I'm really quite… perplexed by how so many people seem to be happy with Perplexity. I have tried it a number of times and it always hallucinated a ton (especially the stuff where it provided "sources").

It uses only google as a backend, and the answer engine is based on the ancient llama 3.3 70B.

It's well behind Kagi (which uses a bunch of sources for results and new models for quick answer or assistant). Perplexity is even well behind other competitors like chatgpt

Ok ok, I'm signing up for Kagi now

Perplexity Pro allows you to use GPT-4 Omni, Claude 4 Sonnet, Gemini 2.5 Pro, Sonar, DeepSeek R1, and others. Can you clarify what you mean by based on the ancient llama 3.3 70B? And they pull results from multiple search engines, and their own index, not just Google.

Preference doesn't have to be based on anything, but providing misinformation that is easily verified is not that common on HN. And Perplexity Pro is different than vanilla Perplexity.

I was talking about their sonar API and what you get when you go to perplexity.ai and search by default -- it's llama 3.3 70B hosted with cerebras. Which is fast, but way way behind the times -- it's more likely to hallucinate than models from basically anyone from the competition, including quick answer.

You're right though it seems that they don't just use bing + their own crawler, but who else they use seems to be community speculation.

same, so much so that I almost think they have a bot army for astroturfing, because I cannot believe anyone gets value from it over just one of the main providers and google. They dont index data nearly as much or as often as google, they basically are at a pareto frontier of just serving the most amount of people with lean indexing based on fact that people look up a lot of the same things. It reminds me of looking at google earth where you can see cities have 3d models but a random neighborhood where you grew up would be images years old. So yeah, its useful but definitely not a replacement for google, so idk why anyone would pay for it.

Society is screwed once AI companies reach the 'using our product as our personal bot army' phase.

So in your opinion, incidentally in this thread about Kagi, you think Google is better? You imply Perplexity only uses their own index, but they pull results from multiple external search engines and their own index. As I mentioned in another thread, that kind of easy-to-verify-as-misinformation is not that common on HN. And Perplexity Pro is different than vanilla Perplexity.

We only pump here sir.

Perplexity is something I had skepticism for but it (Perplexity Pro) has all replaced my talking to a neural net needs. i still use Google but their default ai responses annoy me so i avoid it these days, why is that spam there for me to process when searching is already a chore. The only complaint i have is the perplexity webapp is very slow on my older devices. It should switch to a lighter version if possible.

AI comments in general mean something different once versions are clarified. I've never seen so many comment threads where people don't specify clearly which version(s) they are discussing, which seems relevant 95+% of the time.

Kagi Assistant's advantage of using their search engine, optionally fine-tuned to your preferences, instead of Google/Bing is so underrated, too. It's the killer feature for me

This. Being able to rank which sites bring extra context to your prompts is massive.

Google and Adblock

+ I love Youtube Summaries https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/chatgpt-summarize/c... (should be open source tough)

What's the difference compared to that setup?

TLDR: I find the information I want much faster and much more frequently.

Ad supported search is not incentivized to find you information as fast as possible; the goal is for you to click on ads.

I hate paying for anything. I am cheap as hell, but it saves me enough time that I can justify it. I felt google search was getting worse while I feel Kagi search gets better. Plus I can customize Kagi to ban entire websites or show websites, such as this one, more often.

I am not sure what the user experience of your setup is but with Kagi I can tell it to summarize like 8 sites and quickly read through all of them on the page.

Also, I didn't know how to use AI well with search prior to Kagi; the ease of use really helped me maximize its use.

My home is ad-blocked up the wazoo. I love signal and hate noise. Kagi gives me that.

For me Kagi is the 2010-2015 Google Search experience. It just... works.

I basically pay only to have that. The rest are lots of niceties on top that I can pick if I want them or need them.

It respects your keywords, if it edits anything of the query it tells you why and how, and I think I can count on one hand the number of times I had to scroll to hit the "More results" button since I started using it.

Before I tried Kagi (I tried it out when it was invite-only for testing and then converted to paying user) Google was basically frustrating me with every single query. I had to scroll past the ads, ignore the stuff that looked like websites, ignore the first 5 results because they were useless, ignore the "other results from X" because nothing of value was ever found, then go to the second page, and still find maybe 1 result that was applicable to my query.

Kagi felt like a breath of fresh air. I have a few Googler friends that tried it out on my recommendation and prefer it and pay for it over Google Search, I think that speaks for itself.

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