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The Democratic Party doesn't support Israel at all. The current elected officials do, but not the base. Polls show support for Palestine over Israel at a 5:1 ratio.

This is resulting in current Democratic elected officials being removed from power when their term expires, starting with the US Presidency last year, which was lost BECAUSE of their support for Israel. A YouGov poll earlier this year showed the primary reason Biden 2020 voters didn't vote for Harris was because of Israel: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

This is all happening quickly. You won't see any Democratic candidate that supports Israel run for President in 2028.

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Sorry, that is a mix of speculative fiction and self-contradiction. The GOP supports Israel at least as strongly as the Democrats do. So how did Harris' support for Israel cost her the election?

Supporting Israel, including acknowledging their right to respond militarily to terrorist attacks, is one thing. Falling deeply in love with Netanyahu's current policies is another. Freaking out and caring only about Hamas is ... a third thing.

Trump got less votes last time than when he lost to Biden. The democrats lost, trump didn’t win. People stayed home.

Good point. I'm not convinced that support for Israel was the issue, though.

There are lunatics in the US who seem to have completely forgotten the 1300-1400 Israelis killed by Hamas just last year, but who can see the human disaster in Gaza. I don't think those people are so politically engaged on that single issue that they deliberately stayed home from the polls and let Trump win ... in order to ... help people in Gaza? I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to fit together.

EDIT: To be fair those same folks are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot. So who knows?

EDIT 2: Some of the lunatics above are probably anti-Semitic, despite Trump's claims that they are anti-Semitic. But again how does that drive them to help Trump right now?

> completely forgotten

More like the two things aren't even remotely in the same ballpark. Imagine if the US had surrounded Baghdad and intentionally starved the residents. And even that example still fails to account for some of the context.

Sorry? Do you not remember Fallujah?

You mean the siege where the US allowed 70k refugees to leave 10 days in, actively facilitated the entry of aid, and ultimately gave in to the political pressure to relent in slightly over a month? That Fallujah?

For the record I don't doubt for a second that the same people who protest against Israel now would also have been among those campaigning against the US at the time.

Parts of that are true. Parts of it are a bedtime story to help Americans cope with the reality of what our nation did. EDIT: Recall that Iraq had nothing to do with the WTC attacks.

Some people truly try to protest all the horrors of war on all sides, everywhere. Others try to make "Country X" sound worse than anybody else. I don't have your insight into who has what agenda.

From Wikipedia right now:

2024: Trump 77,302,580

2020: Trump 74,223,975

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