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Or perhaps they have matured and understand that the current war in Gaza was caused by Hamas' actual crime against humanity on October 7th and their continued strategy to cause bloodshed.

If you remove Hamas there is not longer any justification for the war and Israel would have to stop, Us support would evaporate, too. This would be the best way to protect civilians on all sides and to push for longer term negotiations.

There is a big difference between supporting Palestinians and supporting Hamas, which seems to be lost on many.

In fact, it is a big mistake for France and the UK to recognise a Palestinian state without conditions as it in effect vindicates Hamas and so can only create move violence.

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Your theory crumbles under the tacit lies of omission.

In fact, Hamas didn't exist in 1948 or even in 1967... At those time Israel was already doing ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

There were masssacres by Arabs against Jewish people prior to Arab League trying to destroy Israel in 1948 and you can easily look them up.

Zionists always start the story with “October 7th” for a reason.

Go back just a week earlier, and the mask starts to crack.

Go back seventy-five years, and it shatters completely.

You already wrote that in another thread, did you cut and paste?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44755507

Your first and last sentences are correct.

But those in the middle are wrong.

What are you saying? That without the oct 7. terrorist attacks Israel still has justification for the Gaza genocide? That there is no difference in supporting Hamas and supporting Palestinians?

I’m unable to communicate using vague or misused terms. If you want to continue please define your terms:

1. define “genocide”

2. define “palestinian”

3. define “hamas”

There is nothing vague about any of these terms. I suspect you are not asking in good faith, but I will pretend otherwise.

The first is a crime against humanity, and includes the ongoing Gaza genocide conducted by Israel, as well as the Rohingya Genocide condected by Burma, the Cambodian Genocide conducted by the Khmer Rouge, etc.

The second is a people group of mostly Arabic speaking people who lived or are descended from people who lived in historic Palestine in what is now Israel and the Israeli occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza.

The third is a political organization and a terrorist group which operates and is the single ruling party of the Israeli occupied territory of Gaza, who‘s primary political position is the liberation of Palestine.

There is also a big difference between supporting a peaceful resolution to the current situation and not acknowledging that Israel has played a huge part in the current situation prior to October 7th and has participated in genocide and ethnic cleansing after.

The existence of settlements in Palestinian land is not something the International community should have tolerated for days never mind decades.

There are lots of parties, including Hamas, that could have helped avoid where we are today. A shameful place for the whole world.

I think it is very sad that people are still blaming other people than Israel for the Gaza Genocide. Hamas is not doing the Gaza genocide, and yet we regularly see Hamas being blamed for it.

I will offer an alternative theory from yours: If you remove Hamas it is still quite likely that Israel will find a different justification in a different time for their genocide, and would conduct it anyway with Western aid and complicity.

> I think it is very sad that people are still blaming other people than Israel for the Gaza Genocide.

Its very sad that people are calling the genocide of the Palestinian people Israel has been engaged in for generations and which has never been limited to Gaza, “the Gaza Genocide”, and pretending it has a timetable that only reinforces the Israeli propaganda that what is actually being described is not a long-running genocide to which the Hamas Oct 7 attack was an (illegal and worthy of international sanction!) response, but instead a response to the Oct 7 attack.

I do think the Gaza genocide is so atrocious it deserves a name of its own. Otherwise I agree with you. The focus on the Gaza Genocide often overshadows other genocidal atrocities which Israel has been systematically conducting against Palestinians for generations.

The current situation in Gaza highlights how Israeli government has historically modulated the Palestinian genocide according to what it thinks domestic and international (the latter being most particularly US government, necessary for both direct aid/active military defense and the shield of the Security Council veto, and which effectively insulates it from most meaningful consequences from other international quarters) support will tolerate based on the available pretexts it can use to provide superficial PR cover even while from the other side of its mouth it is fairly openly spouting eliminationist rhetoric, but its not a separate thing (and, in fact, Israel has used the focus of attention on the situation in Gaza to ramp up attacks in the West Bank with little comment; underlining how its all part of one coordinated, integrated project.)

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