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My point is that "anti-woke" or whatever is not balanced. We've constructed statistical models based on enormous corpora of English text, and those models keep telling us that there is not really a statistical difference between whatever Elon Musk is trying to create and MechaHitler!

I'm not saying this is conclusive evidence, but I am saying it's our best inference from the data we have so far.

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Or that rhetoric like yours is common, so LLMs conflate unrelated ideas — such as opposition to neo-Marxist philosophy and Nazism.

Nazism and anti-Marxism are absolutely not unrelated! And that's not just rhetoric like mine, either: for example, the hero image on the Britannica article "Were the Nazis Socialists?" is a banner at Nazi parade that reads "Death to Marxism". [1]

That doesn't mean that anti-Marxists are all Nazis, or vice versa. But the claim that they're totally unrelated is not correct at all.

[1] https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

I’m still having trouble finding the gap between fascism and socialism, when reading their manifesto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto

> That doesn't mean that anti-Marxists are all Nazis, or vice versa. But the claim that they're totally unrelated is not correct at all.

This is a heavily propagandized topic — and the conflating of, eg, American liberal capitalist opposition to Marxism as “Nazi” is both a result of that and modern dishonest rhetoric.

That rhetoric confuses LLMs.

Conflating socialism with fascism and then claiming that other people are confusing LLMs? The heavy propaganda is coming from inside the house!

Isn't strident opposition to "neo-Marxist philosophy" actually highly correlated with weird/reactionary ethno-nationalism?

No, eg, liberal capitalist Americans oppose Marxism — and the adoption of neo-Marxist ideas has collapsed movie and game sales because their ideology is widely unpopular.

That’s a trope by Marxists to attempt to normalize alt-left ideology by accusing anyone who objects of being Nazis; a trope that’s become tired in the US and minimizes the true radical nature of the Nazi regime.

Which movies and games call for shared ownership of the means of production?

I have a suspicion you don't really know what Marxism is about, but like using it because it sounds scary to you.

Notice the motte and bailey here: using the uncontroversial "liberal capitalist Americans oppose Marxism" claim to advance the idea that whatever social views they call "neo-Marxism" are unpopular.

...and to further smear Marxism by associating it with whatever is unpopular, even if it's unrelated to the ideology.

Please define "neo-Marxist philosophy".

As an actual Marxist, I would love to hear of this strain of philosophy.

Marxism equipped with “critical theories”, typically focused on tribal grievance narratives rather than class struggle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism

That answers your sibling reply as well, as it’s clear where such “critical theories” and grievance narratives have entered movies and games.

That is not a definition. What is the philosophical framework? What is critically analyzed by those theories? What is "clear"? Where are all the bad bad Marxists hiding?

In my experience, y'know, as a Marxist, all Hollywood has ever pumped out is pro-capitalist propaganda. To say there's any Marxism in it is downright insulting.

I believe that Marxism has become an abstract target for conservatives to project their grievances on.

Zizek also spoke to this at his debate with Peterson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDOSOQLLO-U

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