to save you a lookup:
The Arabic text "رجمة نانسي قنقر" translates to English as: "Nancy Qanqar's translation" or "Translation by Nancy Qanqar"
"رجمة" means "translation" and "نانسي قنقر" is the name "Nancy Qanqar"
The Arabic text "رجمة نانسي قنقر" translates to English as: "Nancy Qanqar's translation" or "Translation by Nancy Qanqar"
"رجمة" means "translation" and "نانسي قنقر" is the name "Nancy Qanqar"
The MPA must be so proud.
The AI industry - soaking up every bit of media available online for commercial purposes, often reproducing it nearly identically - has enough money and capital to influence things its way. And only its way, in case anyone was hoping this might change anything at all for the little guy.
I don't think that there are any clear examples of cases where ONLY downloading has resulted in huge fines. All the big bankrupting level fines have been for both downloading and sharing.
You mention that 'torrenting' could bankrupt you, and that is true, but the main reason for the huge fines are that you are taking part in distribution rather than just 'downloading for personal use'.
They [1, and others] been hunting and fining downloaders for over a decade now, with the only "evidence" being IP addresses connected with the torrent [2].
1: https://www.njordlaw.com/filesharing-and-downloading-films/q...
2: https://admin.ovpn.com/en/blog/online-integrity-new-threats-...
Hint: there is a distinction.
Copying from another comment I wrote here:
> These are two separate things:
> * Making content available for unauthorized distribution
> * Distributing unauthorized content that someone else already made available
> Seeding isn't making content available, it's keeping content available.
Is that an unreasonable assumption? As much as people like to come up with excuses like "I had open wifi!" or "I was running a TOR node", judges don't seem inclined to believe them, probably for the same reason they don't seem inclined to believe excuses like "somebody took my car on a joyride and then returned it!" for parking tickets. Remember, both non-commercial copyright infringement lawsuits and parking tickets are tried in civil court, which means the standard is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond reasonable doubt".
How hard could it be to keep DHCP logs? Assuming they exist at all, what would cause it to be incorrect?
For all intents and purposes, participating in the torrent almost guarantees that you seeded, because all torrent clients upload as you download.
* Making content available for unauthorized distribution
* Distributing unauthorized content that someone else already made available
Seeding isn't making content available, it's keeping content available.
That still doesn't make them the same thing. There are different shades of grey, etc.
> Moreover isn't AI companies also "keeping content available"?
I don't know what you mean by that.
The whole point of the thread is that AI companies are getting away with piracy but individuals aren't. But the reality is that AI companies aren't getting away with it (a judge ruled that Anthropic must face trial over their use of pirated books).
More specific to this thread is that claim that "ONLY downloading" hasn't resulted in fines for anyone. So far as I can tell, this is true. People are just quibbling over how someone who's torrenting somehow counts as "only downloading", even though their client is uploading.
But then if I download a file, create a copy, and share it with you, have I done anything wrong?
To all intents and purposes, seeding is an act of reproduction. You, while keeping your copy, create copies of (parts) of the file and share it to someone else to allow them to assemble a new, second copy.
Whether this is, or should be, a crime is a different question altogether. The main point I was making is that it’s the copying/sharing to other people which seems to be a crucial element in these prosecutions.
That’s likely intentional: the last thing the *AA folks want is a decision that creating a copy of a copyrighted work for your own personal use is not a crime. But it does seem the courts have decided: making a copy for someone else is indeed illegal.
If you don't understand how torrents work on technical level I suggest at least some shallow reading. Property rights holders don't care about details, as long as you tick the box of sending a single packet to somebody, off to court with ya.
If this is true, I have been unable to find any. Can you please share? In all of the cases I was able to find, the huge fines were based on also uploading.
> If you don't understand how torrents work on technical level I suggest at least some shallow reading
This is a bit patronising, and I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. My point is that the only prosecutions I've been able to find are where they were able to prove uploading as well as downloading (and yes, the fact that someone used BitTorrent makes it a slam-dunk, because the protocol makes it impossible to download without also uploading). Are you trying to argue that someone who torrents a copyrighted work doesn't also share it?
The fight about digitized media for personal (entertainment / informational) use were the early aughts. The precedents crafted then don't immediately translate to these cases (novel transformative work from protected materials), and the new precedents have to account for the fact that universities have been training via "piracy" for ages.
(The magic of money factors in to the extent that they can afford the lawyers to remind the court that this isn't settled law yet).
These regurgitations combined with proof that a model is familiar with a work could be sufficient evidence to force discovery to determine if the work was pirated.
I think this would have some unpalatable consequences. Let's say an author is writing a modestly successful book series: it's not going to make them rich, but it's commercially viable and they care a lot about it for its own sake. Under this system, if the author declares a value commensurate with the (quite small) pure economic value of the IP, they have to live in fear of their right to continue working on their creation being abruptly taken away from them at any point. If they instead declare a value commensurate with the economic value + the extra value that it has to them personally, the resulting tax liability could easily tip the balance and destroy their ability to pursue their writing as a career.
There are always some cases on the edge. The question is if saving them is worth the cost of the major players running rampant.
We shouldn't abandon the line of investigation, however. We should continue thinking of ways to do this until we find one that works well.
There's a chance it ends up being something that requires a judge to interpret each individual case...
Most jurisdictions that have "property tax" only apply it on certain types of property, most commonly real estate. So it's not that weird that IP isn't taxed.
I am pretty sure they didn't get asked.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARD_ZDF_Deutschlandradio_Beitr...
Back in 2011, Tageeschau openly rallied against Muslims and wanting public broadcasting gone was a leftist position. The whole thing is completely asinine to anyone who remembers.
> We have a public service mandate, which means that we have very clear responsibilities according to the state media treaty. For us, this means that our top priority is actually reaching our target audience, namely approximately 15 million people living in Germany between the age of 14 and 29 who have internet access
It's not a binding contract for sure but I don't think that OpenAI or other AI scraper is their target.
Obviously a rhetorical question. The AI grifters of this decade take what they want and laugh at your pitiful future