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It's beyond a joke. Recently spent some time at an accelerator and the partners of the VC firm were very open about purchasing "fake" research or presenting investments as if they were from more than one "investor".

I still fail to understand how Dwarkesh Patel managed to "self-sponsor" an O-1 with a... tech podcast...

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Podcasts are a very significant medium, and Dwarkesh is probably comfortably in the top 1% of podcasts. Isn't that exactly what O-1 is for?

At the time he barely had 10k subscribers. The merits of the "genius" VISA should be for research and engineering endeavors.

O-1 isn't a genius visa, it is for [1] Individuals with Extraordinary Ability or Achievement, the government website specifically calls out categories that are not research or engineering.

[1] https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary...

The jokes really do write themselves "Extraordinary Podcasting Ability".

Would much rather that visa had gone to a researcher or engineer who's motto wasn't "not wanting to push pixels around at a FAANG".

Why not both? I can see the argument for not having millions of unskilled immigrants crossing from Mexico but both Dwarkesh and the researcher/engineer would benefit the US. I don't think it's that hard to get O1 as a researcher/engineer - you basically have to get to the level where you present at conferences and are seen as an expert in whatever.

Melania Trump got an EB-1 visa as a model. That’s the permanent resident version of the O-1, which is temporary.

In practice they want people of high ability who will contribute positively to the US, not necessarily geniuses. My friend who was supporting actress in some Netflix thing got in on that basis.

Do you honestly think it's a good idea to make it harder to get a visa in this country? Particularly one that's based on merit/markets?

I don't think so, personally, because I see that podcast as entertainment rather than education, and I don't think entertainers should ever receive O-1 visas.

Legislators thought otherwise, when they explicitly created two subcategories of O-1 visas:

* O-1A: Individuals with an extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business, or athletics (not including the arts, motion pictures or television industry).

* O-1B: Individuals with an extraordinary ability in the arts or extraordinary achievement in motion picture or television industry.

The reason is pretty simple. Entertainment industry depends more on specific individuals than most other industries. If you have cast a foreign actor for a role, you can't easily replace them with generic interchangeable talent. But that foreign actor is not magically allowed to work in the US. They need a visa that allows it. Hence O-1B.

i did o1 twice and then eb1. it’s not a joke if you set expectations too high in your mind.

all visas are just about fulfilling the legal criteria. if you do that, you get the visa. same is true for extraordinary alien ones.

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