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Astronomers Discover Rare Distant Object in Sync with Neptune

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"The survey was designed to search for bodies with orbits that extend far above and below the plane of the Earth's orbit around the sun, part of the outer solar system that hasn’t been well-studied."

Christ. I didn't realise we hadn't looked at stuff not in Earth's plane. That's a tonne of space to explore, right in our own backyard.

Just because there's a lot of space doesn't mean there's a lot of stuff to find in it. :p

Sun's rotation over time sort of aligns everything on that plane (or maintains momentum from accretion disk), galaxies are mostly also in disc forms. Pluto is a bit of an outlier, I wonder if due to some ancient collision or some other force.

So yes its a vast space (2D -> 3D), but should be rather empty no?

In my understanding no. Observation of other star systems has shown that ours is somewhat anomalous in being aligned to a plane.

Source?

AFAICT most of the systems we've found with >1 exoplanet resemble our own system, where the planets are moving in roughly the same plane. If you look at this catalogue [0], the "i" value refers to the inclination of the orbit as viewed from Earth, since the parent star's rotation is often unknown. Still, it can be used to compare planets with others in the same system.

The closest I can find to your claim is some stuff from 2010 [1] (many exoplanet discoveries ago) claiming that a significant portion of "hot jupiter" setups are weird.

[0] https://exoplanet.eu/catalog/

[1] https://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1016/

> Pluto is a bit of an outlier, I wonder if due to some ancient collision or some other force.

That's something most asteroids and trans-neptunian objects have in common, they're on eccentric orbits outside of the plane.

Well you might find, for example, a rare distant object in sync with Neptune.

But isn't the Oort Cloud is a sphere around the sun? I've always wondered why the planets and Kuiper belt have a preferred disc, but Oort doesn't.

One theory is that interactions and collisions (all scales: gas, dust, comet, planet) are what cause the participants to align in the direction of the original net angular momentum, and the Oort cloud is just too sparse to that have happened as much.

Oort dust clumped up to comet-size objects for sure, but that tended to happen for the particles that were already roughly in the same orbit. Looking at all orbits in the Oort cloud, they remained more random.

> but should be rather empty no?

JWST has already challenged a lot of our perceived notions about the cosmos. Always worth checking more thoroughly and reexamining our theories as technology advances.

What is the meaning of the word "rare" in the context of astronomy? It seems to me calling the object discussed in the article "rare" is about as logical as saying the Earth is rare: of course a single object is rare.

Well there's a few thousand trans-neptunian objects that have been discovered. I presume rare here is for the orbit pattern being perfectly in sync with Neptune itself.

There already are known many trans-neptunian bodies whose movements are synchronized with Neptune. Pluto is also among those.

However all the others are closer to Neptune, therefore the ratios between their revolution periods an that of Neptune are relatively small rational numbers, while for this new object the ratio is 10, which is much greater.

So for now, it is one such object among many, so it may be called "rare", at least until others are discovered. In any case it was unexpected that resonances still exist at such distances.

I noticed this in another article recently referring to interstellar comets as extremely rare, when what the author I think meant was interstellar comets in our solar system are rare.

3-body problems are fun and there are still potentially a ton of resonances that have never been found, and that cannot be found analytically. This seems to be one of those.

I thought such resonance was unstable. Isn't that the reason for the gaps in Saturn's rings?

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