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I wonder how many public libraries are there in US.

In Poland every gmina (which is like a collection of a few villages - around 10k people and 10x10 km) have a public library. It's how I learned to love reading books - there was no internet yet, TV had like 3 channels, and I was on vacations bored to hell. So I went to the library and started borrowing random books. I didn't had to drive anywhere or ask my parents - it was just a short walk.

I especially love the small countryside libraries where you don't need to ask the librarian for a book you want - you walk among the shelves and look for the books yourself. Back in 80s/90s most books in such libraries were hand-covered with gray packing-paper covers and had the author and title written by the librarian on that. So you didn't even had images on the cover to let you know what the book was about. It was a complete surprise every time. Through 3 summer vacations I went through half the library, even trying some Harlequins or "collected works of Lenin" :) (not a very good read BTW). Mostly I looked for fantasy and sci-fi, but that was like 5 shelves out of 50, so I tried everything eventually. And I learnt to love reading ever since.

The US public library system is very big. There are over 17,000 libraries and that doesn't include the almost 100,000 libraries that are in schools.

My city (Seattle, a pretty large US city) has 27 public libraries. I only live a few blocks from the closest one but could fairly easily walk to at least 2 more.

> 17,000 libraries

It doesn't seem like "A lot" for a country the size of US TBH.

Poland has 7541 public libraries. Which is 1 per 41 km^2, but of course big cities have many libraries, so the actual distance is larger in the countryside. But it's a number.

17000 libraries in US is like one per 580 km^2.

And yes every school has one too, there's 35 000 schools. But many of these are very small libraries that mostly carry mandatory lectures for school + some classic books. In my village the school library sucked.

I lived in a village of 500 people and had a library within 5 minute walk.

I guess one needs to consider the US is geographically much larger and most land doesn't actually contain people. Considering the density is wiser, but even still. Libraries per occupied area still isn't a good metric. There is no good metric.

What's more important is the qualitative offerings and impact:

1. Spectrum of a. most common services and collections offered everywhere to b. the most comprehensive of those offered by a specific library.

2. What people can do at them: read, research subjects, borrow things, accomplish tasks, host meetings, etc.

This is very hard to measure and not something a business person running the government "like a business" would understand.

IMO the most important metric is "what percentage of kids can walk to a library without asking anybody".

But nowadays people have internet, so I guess it's not THAT important anymore. The ideal library is just a website that lets you download pirated ebooks for free.

You've just reinvented Z-library. ;)

The utility of the brick-and-mortar is that some/(many by state) libraries include services and physical items that can be checked out besides media. Plus, besides free Wi-Fi and meeting rooms, it's a non-consumption location to exist in a physical public space. There aren't many more free spaces in America. And, there are millions of people who can't afford internet, a tablet, a computer, or have a place for books. Millions of books and historical local newspapers don't exist in electronic form!

But no, really, (most of) America is truly unwalkable for almost any activity.

To build a library close enough to most American kids that they could walk to it would likely be infeasible, because so many people live places that are simply not walkable at all.

Another commenter said 73% of americans live 1 mile of a library. Thats walkable. You don’t need brewpubcafes and tree lined streets to walk.

You do need pavements tho, especially if the road has many lanes and people going 90 km/h.

Have you seen pics of Houston? It can be infeasible to walk a mile if it’s split by a multi lane highway etc.

Most American cities are bicyclist- and pedestrian-hostile. There are some that aren't like Davis CA in the 90's.

Can I walk a mile? Yes. Can I walk a mile from my house? Not safely.

There's a road I would have to walk down to get to anything that isn't on my street. One lane each way, no shoulders, no sidewalks, and very poor visibility of oncoming traffic due to an inconveniently placed hill.

The nearest public library to my childhood home was 2.2 miles; I would occasionally bike to it before I had a car, but it involved crossing one major street.

Going by land area isn't a great metric, since the US has a great deal of unpopulated or sparsely populated space. Per capita might be better, but not by much. But if you go "per city," the US has around 19,000 incorporated areas. So 17k libraries to 19k incorporated areas (cities, towns, villages, designated census areas, etc.), might be better metric.

You can have small towns with libraries in the US, too. Flatonia, TX has a population of 1,300 and has a public library.

There are probably even smaller towns, but I know Flatonia has one because I've been there.

There's a town near me that has a population of 1100 and a nice small library. And there's state-wide interlibrary loan, so small-town libraries can get you anything the bigger ones have.

In the United States (in 2020[1]), 100% of the population lived within 5 miles (8 km) of a local public library, with 99.1% of people living within 1 mile (1.6 km). That seems good enough to me.

[1] https://www.gc.cuny.edu/center-urban-research/research-proje...

73% live within a mile from your source not 99.1%.

Could your whole village walk to a library in 5 minutes?

Regardless of population density, villages/towns/settlements/cities tend to span a mile or more, not one acre with 1-1000 people surrounded by non-residential space.

How many books were in that library that served 500 people?

There's 3 smaller daughter-libraries in nearby villages. I'd say 20 minutes walk to the nearest library for everybody in the whole gmina is realistic. Less if you include school libraries (but they suck).

I had no idea how many books, checked right now and apparently it's 32 000. It's not really serving 500 people, it's got 1100 regular readers. Which means people are going there from other villages.

It also has all the multimedia stuff, audiobooks, internet access, printers, etc.

> I wonder how many public libraries are there in US.

A _lot_ of them (nearly 125000 about 250 people per library on average). And you can do inter-library loans, and you can check out DVDs and BluRays.

Is gmena a typo or does Polish seriously have “gm” as a digraph? I have seen a reasonable amount of written Polish but I’ve never noticed “gm” before. That strikes me as really reaching, get a different alphabet, already.

"Gmina" is correct. It's the lowest administrative unit in Poland.

There's a few other words with "gm", like "gmerać" (to fiddle with sth), "gmin" (plebs, common people - same root word as gmina I'd imagine), "gmach" (a huge building, usually of some public institution).

It's not a digraph tho, it's just pronounced as "g" and then "m"?

I'm like 99% sure it's a German loanword. Most of city/administration/building language in Polish comes from German - dach (roof), szyba (glass pane), rynek (main market square), ratusz (city hall), burmistrz (city mayor), rynsztok (gutter), etc.

All through middle ages Poland imported lots of germanic settlers and had them build whole new towns from scratch in Poland in exchange for tax breaks. There's a town called "Niemcy" (Germans/Mutes) like 10 km from where I live :), and there's a village called "Dys" nearby.

What's the problem with using latin script for gm by the way?

As someone who speaks German but not Polish, “Gemeinde” was the first thing that came to mind seeing that “gmina” is a collection of rural villages, because that’s what the smallest incorporated settlements here are called (at least in Bavaria). Gemeinde -> Markt -> Stadt

Even Germany has Gmünd: Schwäbisch Gmünd, Georgensgmünd…

> get a different alphabet, already

English has entered the chat

English has fairly common words with "gm", just not at the beginning of words. Figma and enigma immediately spring to mind. I'd even argue that people say "Big Mac" roughly the same speed as the above words. Plus, there's even that meme word from a few years ago (like a crude, less punny version of the "updog" joke, if that helps narrow down what I mean)

It's not a digraph, it's pronounced /gm/

Why are _all_ your comments in this post negative?

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