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please do not blame this on "old people"

anyone in corporate america in a hiring position knows the prevailing trend -- you either hire h1b (for maximum leverage) or overseas (for cost savings). we've been told to hire h1b ONLY.

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> we've been told to hire h1b ONLY

If you’re not being hyperbolic, this seems like fraud on the part of whoever is submitting visa applications for your company.

Which doesn't mean it isn't common.

Sounds about right.

Ya welcome to reality

yep. H1B needs a major reform. Unfortunately both the democratic party and the GOP is against reforming it.

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I work at a Fortune 100 and for the most part, we can ONLY hire citizens and do not use H1Bs without a particularly strong reason. Curiously, I'd estimate we still hire 80% naturalized citizens.

I'm not blaming this on "old people", and certainly not "old people" who want to work, I'm blaming it on a government that artificially deflates the retirement rate.

You have a moral duty to report your employer for this. Frankly it should be treated the same as treason.

> it should be treated the same as treason

No, it shouldn’t. Treason has a specific meaning.

It’s anti-American behavior against a person in America as opposed to against the nation specifically. An attack on one is an attack on us all.

Lots of things are anti-American behavior.

Most of those things aren't joining up with a foreign adversary with whom we're officially at war.

Even things that are treasonous in a colloquial sense are still pretty narrow, and tend to refer to other specific forms of betraying your country, that just happen to be other crimes -- like espionage, or insurrection.

> Most of those things aren't joining up with a foreign adversary with whom we're officially at war.

Adversary to the people, or the state? These are wildly different concepts. Just because my state has beef with China doesn't mean they can't convince me that my life is better with China in it. Sometimes states just misrepresent the people.

Right, but in the same vein, the British crown has a documented history of applying that label to dissidents. It was part of why were revolted in the first place.

Our definition for what constitutes treason is purposely narrow specifically due to the abuse potential.

I think it is anti-American to discriminate on the basis of origin. Where you are from has no bearing on many if not most jobs. I may not be making the point you think I’m making, I’m making a nuanced point that we have a duty to report treason, and we have a duty to report whatever it is when you have an ongoing state of affairs in which there exists a stated or effective policy of only (or never) hiring a certain group of people.

Is it anti American to favor Americans for jobs?

I’m not sure, can you make an argument for why it should be?

It’s just the free market. It it with a big spoon, you asked for it

Free market isn’t a pass to do illegal things. There are many free market things that are illegal. Some would even be considered treasonous.

Treason is a strong word. It is a knowingly detrimental action against American workers and companies to dodge requirements for hiring skilled foreign workers.

The focus and the main point remains: It's unethical, it's illegal, and I wish punishment on the companies and the individuals who fraudulently scam American workers out of jobs.

stoph1b.com, we have a sub lets organize.

Treason isn't even a legal concept. Who cares about any given meaning without that? If it strikes you as treason, that's as good a reason to call it treason as any.

Personally, I think there's lots of treason that pervades our life. Hell you could argue the meaning of "national interest" used by our state department is itself treasonous.

Any definition of the word will come down to what you perceive as in our interests. For easy examples, see Snowden and Manning.

> Treason isn't even a legal concept.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-3/section-3...

Sorry, perhaps I should have said "not a well-defined legal concept", or else we would surely all be enemies of the state.

Report what? They say everything verbally in a closed office. There is no paper trail. Even if there was, the entire industry and current administration are in complete alignment on this issue. They want to reduce labor costs.

I actually do blame this on old people. The reason jobs are being shipped overseas is because western workers are not productive enough to justify their premium. Work culture is part of that, but stuff like zoning and the welfare state is the main culprit.

This is actually not at all correct. US productivity per worker has gone up for a very long time.

https://www.economicstrategygroup.org/publication/in-brief-u...

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