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ICE just seems to be a setup for "federal personal thugs".

We've seen them now threatening not just American citizens, other politicians, judges. ICE has been given instructions to simply go operate on their own without direction to "find" people.

The laws surroundings them are surprisingly forgiving / people have few protections. This step seems to just be to dump vast quantities of data they could just for anything they wish from departments that had rules for how they can use that data ... to a group that has few rules ...

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To a group with few rules, lots of funding coming their way and building concentration camps. In a year I expect to hear they're just a paramilitary group removing undesirable people regardless of immigration status.

The FBI was also controversial in its early days. But at least their agents wore nice suits and were held to a standard of conduct. ICE agents wear masks over their faces and urinate in public.

the FBI doesn't have unfettered access to IRS data

They regularly imprison people for days, weeks, or months without trial that they know are US citizens.

What are the stats, how regularly?

Illegally detaining a single US citizen is one too many.

Illegally detaining anyone is one too many.

Hard to say without due process. Takes time to go through courts if it even does.

https://www.openice.org/

I mean that's kind of the problem of avoiding the court system as much as they can. There is no stats, who knows

The federal government loves to play this 'it's only civil, not criminal, therefor a loser set of rules apply' to lots of things. Knowing it's an end run around rights people/lawyers/courts have still let them get away with it because they support the final outcome or because it simplifies the process.

> loser

Looser?

And the problem of not allowing other government officials outside of ICE and the executive having access to facilities, paperwork, camera systems. ICE can too easily hide what they are doing. The lack of transparency and oversight is despicable.

Here is an article about the topic: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/tracking-us-citizens...

There's a 2011 study linked there but as others mentioned, hard to track without due process.

Thanks. At the end it links to a study that estimates citizens at 1-1.5% of removals.

https://jacquelinestevens.org/StevensVSP18.32011.pdf

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