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That's literally what EU privacy laws are about and guess what...

Anti government folk from the USA hated them and decided they were government overreach.

Please, the EU is trying to ban encryption at this very moment, to say the that EU is pro privacy is a bit of a joke really.

Privacy from companies maybe, privacy from governments and cops, certainly not.

What did your MEP say when you complained to them about it?

Mine said the party was taking it very seriously and it's clearly something that is important to me. I trust them to do exactly nothing.

The EU is both pro-privacy and anti-privacy. In many ways, they're ahead of the US - you can opt out of more telemetry, more advertising, more tracking. Good. But then the encryption stuff - bad.

Informed consent laws - good. Laws about third-party tracking - good. So it's some good, some bad.

But, on the topic of encryption, it's not like the US is pure here either.

> the EU is trying to ban encryption at this very moment, to say the that EU is pro privacy is a bit of a joke really.

The EU is not a monolith. There are many people pushing in many different directions. Sometimes the result is good, sometimes less so.

After the pushing is done then the resulting regulations are a monolith

> privacy from governments and cops

It is very much not clear to me that you should have privacy from governments or cops. Aren't the whole point of the government and cops that they are the institutions we have created to entrust with this access?

Please feel free to set up a spyware on your phone that records every image you send, every text and email you write and saves all this data somewhere that you will never have access to and for an indefinite amount of time.

That is exactly what the EU is trying to do with the Chat Control law. Targeted law enforcement access to some data is not what is being discussed here.

We are talking about 24/7/365 mass surveillance without warrants and without the suspicion of any crime committed.

Given that Europe specifically has a very sordid history with the use of data collected by government to genocide literally millions of people, no, I don't think it can be entrusted with such access.

Us techbros like it when Bezos and Zuck and Musk have all the information, because you can “vote with your dollar” and avoid them.

Ah yes, lock you up for Facebook posts UK is the bastion of privacy.

To be fair to OP I don’t think the UK is in the EU

Firstly, the UK is not in the EU. That's what Brexit was.

Secondly, incitement to violence is illegal in most countries. If you think it's not in yours, why not try it and see where you end up?

> Secondly, incitement to violence is illegal in most countries. If you think it's not in yours, why not try it and see where you end up?

By all means, if that's the way you want to represent the issue, then there is no discussion to be had.

I will, however, represent it this way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingd...

I can be compelled in a few situations in this incomplete list were of the "deserved" type. But you can't convince me on all of them.

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