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>Just not the kind of people that those in power want.

farm owners don't give a fuck what color the cattle is.

>You bring in families from around the world

and if/when they integrate into the host society, their children will have as few children as the natives

>give them amazing opportunities, then hire them to take care of the elderly

yeah, sure. changing adult diapers. such an amazing opportunity

>This is why immigration is so important to the economy of a developed nation.

exploiting the resources of the undeveloped nations is bread and butter of the developed nations, yeah.

cui bono? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh2Vh-G3vEk

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"yeah, sure. changing adult diapers. such an amazing opportunity"

Nursing and elder care is a field that anyone can respect. Why do you spit on their contribution to society?

I don't spit at the people who do those jobs, I spit at the people who think those jobs are 'amazing opportunities'.

Caregiving is an amazing opportunity. It is life-changing for the person receiving the care. It is fulfilling and soul-affirming for the person delivering the care.

If people agreed with your view that it's an "amazing opportunity" then nursing homes wouldn't be catastrophically understaffed.

Of course that doesn't take away from anyone's enjoyment of that line of work, it is truly important, but it's not something that the vast majority of people see as an "amazing opportunity".

Nursing homes are understaffed because they're for-profit entities looking for $15/hr labor.

This. Caring for people is great. Being in poverty while doing almost anything sucks.

America is great at underpaying and overworking almost everyone for almost everything. America is really only good if you're a decamillionaire or better. In general, it tends (YMMV) better to be in Europe for poorer/average folks who get much more value and protections while paying more taxes.

Um yes, precisely. They're not good opportunities for people to make a living. Did you reply to the wrong person or just stating the obvious?

The person you replied to said

>> Caregiving is an amazing opportunity. It is life-changing for the person receiving the care. It is fulfilling and soul-affirming for the person delivering the care.

That the market doesn't pay well for the work is immaterial to its value.

If you're agreeing to everything they said, and only disagreeing that it pays well: yes.

You're changing the subject, the point of contention was whether it's "an amazing opportunity", not whether the work is valuable.

You’re defining opportunity in strictly monetary terms?

Yes? That's what makes something a broadly recognized "good opportunity" in our current economic system that you can base public policy around. Everything else is just variable personal preference.

People don't leave their home countries and entire lives behind because they're looking for the "opportunity" of nursing a foreigner for a pittance. They do it because they want to make good money and provide for their families.

Around 20% of US elder care facilities will close around 2027 because of the Medicaid cuts that pay for long term care of many to pay for the tax cuts for the rich. It was cynically set to take effect after the midterm elections so people wouldn't realize what was happening.

For the people in countries that still have a high birth rate, they usually are amazing opportunities. Wealthy countries are a lot richer than poor ones, and people will take jobs we scorn.

Unfortunately, we also scorn the people who would want to do them. We set very low immigration limits, and we pay the people who do those jobs (even native ones) very poorly.

So these jobs are simultaneously "amazing opportunities" and "abusive".

if it's so respectable why aren't you doing it?

"kids these days don't want to work!" -- then why aren't you showing them how?

I literally can't afford to do that.

I know that I reply to a post written by someone who refuses to capitalize at my own risk, but

> yeah, sure. changing adult diapers. such an amazing opportunity

You seem to have inadvertently discounted the experiences of people like my dad’s African-born eye doc, who came to this county for the opportunity of medical training which he now uses to make injections into my elderly dad’s eyes every few months.

(Either that or you’re an idiot).

Actually, I read some of your other posts and I think I figured it out.

I think the difference between what you're complaining about the person saying, and what the person is actually saying could be solved by workers getting paid like $5/hour more (AKA a living wage).

The person didn't say anything that contradicts what they're saying other than that you're unhappy with the status quo that is offered to migrant workers. And you're absolutely right. But a more constructive dialogue would be "let's improve the conditions for those people."

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