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So did everyone and their grandma also have blackberries.

No. Blackberry _never_ had the market penetration that apple had. They were an enterprise first company and barely had a foothold in the consumer market.

Apple wiped out blackberry in the enterprise market after it dominated the consumer market and it _barely even tried_.

BlackBerry peaked at ~80M users. iPhone is currently at ~1.5B. Why are you treating them as if they are even remotely similar?

Those people change their phones every two to three years. What kind of lead time is that? It is one where you get phased out quickly. With blackberry they kept it for like five years.

No, not really. Peak Blackberry was both tiny compared to iPhone usage today and in a very different context, with very little of the economy or daily lives invested directly into a rich ecosystem dependent on the phones.

Disagree. A huge portion of the business world was Blackberry-centric.

The cogent lesson is that ecosystems which are fundamentally supported by user network effects should ignore user networks at their peril.

No. Blackberries were in pockets of executives and business people.

Is there a phone out now, or at least on the horizon, that can do significantly more due to better integrated AI?

Yes. Android today can run programs generated by AI assistants locally and the new Linux VM means they can be provided with very complete MCP servers.

Whatever OpenAi is trying to cook up.

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