How Reddit Got Obama
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I'd point out that he did say he only had 30 minutes, and given how poorly reddit handled the traffic, I'm surprised he managed to get 10 answers in, copy/paste jobs or no.
How would you have preferred it to go, anyway? Seems like he's not going to make everyone happy no matter how its sliced, so perhaps he should have just not done one?
What do you mean?
I mean, I wonder how many times he's been asked "What was the most difficult decision that you had to make during this term?". Probably quite a lot. Hell, I get asked basically that every time I interview for a job.
Well, for example, he was asked if he'd consider raising the budget for NASA, his answer didn't directly respond or answer the question, just re-quote his campaign piece on the issue. He didn't answer if he'd consider raising the budget, he just gave some purposefully vague reply about the notion that "we should stay at the forefront of space exploration."
>There weren't any different or insightful questions actually asked
More commonly AMAs are deemed "good" if the subject doesn't blatantly just answer the easiest questions asked and goes out of their way, even just a bit, to offer some unique or exclusive insight. Which Obama, or whoever it was, did not do.
Someone else's complaint is going to be, why is the POTUS wasting his time and our tax dollars with reddit?
Someone else's complaint is going to be that reddit's lucky POTUS gave them any of his time and that reddit was not appropriately prepared for the server load.
Etc.. Can't please everyone.
That would have been an excellent model to follow here, and probably would have meant more time spent answering each question (for the President) and higher quality questions getting upvoted (since there's plenty of time for the collaborative filtering process to shape the question-space).
You clearly are not reading the subtext of what (s)he's saying, or you're willfully ignoring it to appear steadfast in your dissent: it has been admitted and acknowledged that the POTUS had a limited amount of time with his interactions on Reddit. The complaint is that the answers given were reiterations of campaign points and political tent-poles.
The President took a unique and unheralded opportunity to interact with the voting population in a highly interactive way, and demonstrated a familiar ability among politicians to respond to a question without actually answering it. As citizens and by proxy a community that represents a base of voters likely to support a president keen on engaging his constituents on topics they're overtly concerned about, and responding to them in a fashion they find most accessible: he failed on both fronts. This is frustrating. This is our problem with Mr. Obama's appearance tonight.
"Time", which you seem so fixated on is not our problem with the President's appearance this evening; his lack of at least initiating a dialog by providing politically safe answers is.
Here, cliff notes-as it appears painfully obvious you have not even read the AMA itself: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4451556
What exactly do you expect? The POTUS to, simply because he is on reddit, to suddenly say "By the way, I smoked pot, I'm an athiest, I think the RIAA is evil, etc.?"
He is the current President and actively campaigning for re-election, and he stated up front that he had 30 minutes to burn to "personally" answer questions. To expect this AMA to have gone any other way is simply naive. Regardless of what you believe politics are or should be, expecting anything different is neglecting the reality of modern politics.
Thanks for the harsh reminder of reality.
That makes no fricking sense.
I think they wanted to take the safe option. It is a shame though the answers were not less scripted, they missed a big opportunity to engage people.
"it's questionable if he was involved with this AMA at all"
In the opening of the AMA he said it was him and posted a photo as proof (fair enough it could have been a lie but I don't see why they would do that).
"standard set pieces from his campaign that you could have just as easily read off his website"
What else would you expect? He's running for a second term. Just look at how much these people get berated when they make a simple slip of the tongue during a speech or side comment to a camera. Most of what he says has to be run through speech writers and staff to make sure he doesn't contradict policy or accidentally reveal non-public information.
This part was a bit disappointing. Part of the fun of an AMA is finding out the unexpected.
His one-liners about the Bulls or "NOT BAD" were my favorite parts.
And people are unfair. People take things out of context. Occasionally, people just make shit up and shove it into your mouth. You can't stop them, but you can avoid helping them to the extent it's physically possible.
There's always going to be a noise floor in politics: The rampant idiocy, blatant lying, and absolute unreasoning psychotic hatred honestly felt by certain groups. Going off-message can either raise or lower that floor, and the sad fact is a single bad statement raises it a lot higher than a large number of good statements can lower it. Look at Muskie: He lost the nomination in part because he possibly cried on stage. Possibly. It could have been snow, but the implication was there. Nixon's lies hurt him, but it was likely the 'tears' that broke him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Muskie#Presidential_cand...
The abuse of Reddit AMA for boring, dull, traditional PR purposes takes one of its more interesting contributions to the internet and makes it just another venue for the Same Old Thing.
If a politician wants to be careful, let them go to the old careful outlets.
He's lived in Chicago, the Bulls comment makes sense. Appealing to his home town.
"NOT BAD" - do you REALLY think he knew to say that or do you think someone prompted him?
There are very smart people that control his speeches, people behind the curtains, to get the maximum appeal from the audience in which he is speaking to. Everything is scripted ever so carefully. Always keep this in mind. He's trying to win you over, for your vote.
He speaks in public forums all the time. He speaks for himself just fine there, why would an internet forum be any different?
Also just realised I spelled "feet" wrong in my previous comment and feel terrible about that.
I think the best answer is, "Yes," since it seems to be mutually beneficial exploitation of Reddit USERS for the sake of press coverage (both Obama getting press and Reddit getting press).
Reddit is living up to it now, though.
He told them that he liked them, but not the idea. He suggested instead that they build "the front page of the Internet". They did, and the rest is history.
People have a tendency to think that phrase is somehow bragging, but it's really just what the original idea for reddit was. It's not about their size, but about the intended purpose of the site.
This statement exists in a Universe I don't inhabit, but would like to visit sometime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8zFANeBGQ&feature=play...
"It's like AirBnB for Facebook games"
"It's like Pandora for Cats"
"Think of it like an Instagram for hamburgers"
"Think of it as a Netflix for Youtube"
All this and much, much more...
Your tax dollars at work.
Listen. As of September 2012, the AppForThat, Startup, bubble is just about over. I say this as someone who warned others of the dotcom and real estate bubbles. If you want to think of it as a "technical", or chartreading thing, fine. The bottom line is: GET OUT NOW, the shit is about to hit the fan. Yeah, I know you don't want to hear it. Sorry to bear bad news.
If you haven't heard of it, this is the Fourth Turning. (Startpage.com it). If you think life is going to go on as as usual, think again.
Get ready. Hunker down. This is for real. Don't trust the government.
Crank-tastic.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/167253-the-fourth-turning-sh...
> Among quants there is a saying that goes “don’t torture the data until it talks”, which is another way of saying don’t over-fit the data. While Howe & Strauss’ analysis is very intriguing, I find many disturbing signs of data fitting that make me uncomfortable.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/William_Strauss_and_Neil_Howe
> William Strauss and Neil Howe think society turns on a repeating set of four 20-year cycles and try to predict the future based on this.
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> According to the authors (writing in 1997), the U.S. was in an "unraveling" in the 1990s and due for another crisis in the 2000s-2010s, which will be followed once the crisis is resolved by a new "high" of economic liberalism and social conservatism a-la the 1950s.
It's interesting how all these cycle-meisters (a subset of woo-meisters or just plain frauds) always say that the crisis is near. Always. Their magical cycle theories never predict a distant crisis.
Onwards:
> The generations themselves are arbitrary constructs. They have an age range of about 20 years each, but what gives somebody born in 1965 (a Generation Xer) more in common with a Generation Xer born in 1980 rather than a Baby Boomer born in 1961?
It's crap. It's one of many cycle theories that gets promoted every so often, and it's based on torturing the data that isn't ignored entirely with huge amounts of retrospective predictions (predicting the past, so much easier than predicting the future), just like the others.
It is a perfectly rational phenomenon that history depends on generational cycles.
No, there is no magic claimed, or involved, and this "all these cycle-meisters (a subset of woo-meisters or just plain frauds) always say that the crisis is near. Always. Their magical cycle theories never predict a distant crisis" is pure, unfounded name-calling.
It is obvious that you have not given even a cursory reading of S & H's writing before concluding "it's crap".
If generations are "arbitrary constructs" then I take it you do not think "boomer" means anything? Welcome to the real world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss-Howe_generational_theo...
Then why isn't it taught in mainstream history courses?
> If generations are "arbitrary constructs" then I take it you do not think "boomer" means anything?
Not really, no. To begin with, you'll never find a full agreement on when that generation (or any other) begins and ends.
> this "all these cycle-meisters (a subset of woo-meisters or just plain frauds) always say that the crisis is near. Always. Their magical cycle theories never predict a distant crisis" is pure, unfounded name-calling.
Actually, it's a place where you could rebut me with solid evidence that disproves my statement, if you actually had such evidence.
Instead, how about this: What predictions did Strauss and Howe make that have actually come true?
Perhaps because mainstream history teachers don't know everything? Perhaps because knowledge grows?
"a place where you could rebut me"? What are you talking about? "woo-meisters or just plain frauds" IS name-calling, refute that.
"What predictions did Strauss and Howe make that have actually come true?"
Well, how about I just refer you to the Amazon page, since you OBVIOUSLY haven't read their book?
Altruism. It exists.
Run for the hills!
It also was the formation of the New Deal, the Allied victory, the GI Bill of Rights (free higher education for vets), the rise of the US as a global superpower.
Further, it was followed by the "First Turning", from 1945-1965, which was the post-war boom.
A crisis can lead to a lot of good.
I'm not quite sure what this has to do with trusting the government - I think you may be reading far too much into Strauss-Howe to coincide with your own political beliefs. The US is not a totalitarian state, nor is Europe (though disclaimer, I'm in Canada). One of my parents did live in a totalitarian state - it was not like this, by any stretch.
We do exist in a time of crisis, financially, and in terms of global political leadership. In the US, the Republicans have become radicals, not conservatives, while the Democrats can't seem to be focused or unified on anything. In Europe, the leaders can't seem to accept the Euro will destroy their economies if they don't either fix their central bank or move to a more unified fiscal arrangement. In China, the government artificially keeps their currency low to foster growth that hides the fragility of the kleptocracy at the state and local levels of government. I could go on.
These are crises, but they are also opportunities to fix problems that seem intractable today. I do not think anyone can foresee the outcomes, I suspect it will be not hewing to any particular ideology, but rather a mix of pragmatic approaches that "just work".
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We should force him to answer his stance on the movie Rampart.
I really hope Romney/Paul and Gary Johnson (again) do IAMAs.
:)
I'm being snarky, but it's comments like the one you just made which are echo-chambered into "there is something wrong with communications medium X because it was once used by group Y". Reddit's a big public forum: any big forum will have those issues.
Average voters actually use the internet and understand it. There's porn and stuff "out there", but most people don't run into it when they're visiting facebook, yahoo, espn.com, and other mainstream sites. The average voter isn't going to question the judgment of someone who "uses the internet" because it doesn't seem seedy to them.
The average voter doesn't know what reddit is, and wouldn't "get" it from the homepage. On the homepage right now, there's Obama's AMA and a couple of other serious political stories -- sandwiched between half a dozen memes, a picture of a canker sore shaped like a penis, and several instances of the word "fuck". You don't have to go looking in the unsavory corners of reddit to find stuff that would make my mom question the judgment of people who use the site.
That's an awfully long-haired way of wondering aloud to no-one in particular whether associating with Reddit will be considered to be a liability. I'm fairly sure the President has a near-army of people whose job it is to worry about such things.
Was the...did you say "necrophilia?"...really an issue outside of Sean Hannity's (or whoever's) shrieking fanbase? I think those people have less power than even pot advocates in the national landscape.
I did like that one of his answers referenced the Obama Not Bad meme, but I imagine that was pre-canned by one of his interns or something.
Jokingly I did actually comment that.
Fuck him. I'm not voting for him. He's a mild and more sociable version of Romney.
You can either be a frank politician who addresses all questions honestly, or you can be a politician who wins elections.
Well, if its good enough for TED, why not Reddit?
http://whohastimeforthis.blogspot.com/2012/03/best-of-ted-20...
Hands down, the best [TED] talk this year was from Bryan Stevenson on injustice in the US criminal legal system. For example, the number of prisoners in the last 40 years has grown from 300,000 to 2.3 million (primarily, I believe, due to non-violent drug infractions). One third of young African American men are in prison, on probation or on parole. Ours is the only country in the world that gives life sentences to 13 year olds. As for the death penalty, one out of nine defendants sentenced to death have been exonerated. in California a billion dollars will be spent defending and executing the death penalty in the next 5 years, although a referendum is on its way to re-direct those funds to police enforcement budgets.
What made the talk great was Stevenson's ability to weave in his personal stories, recounting memories of what it was like to grow up among activists like Rosa Parks. There was so much enthusiasm for Stevenson and his cause that TED Curator Chris Andersen jumped on the occasion to solicit donations for Stevenson's private foundation. Right there many of us stood up and, in aggregate, pledged close to a million dollars!
Ron Paul doesn't suffer from this problem. He's not trying (or able) to win the White House; he's trying to bring issues to the forefront of the public consciousness and raise awareness of libertarian positions. Ron Paul can afford to address the issues that would lose real candidates elections, as he's not about to win any elections outside of his House seat.
No, he's trying to make money from campaign donations. He always succeeds.
As far as I am concerned, the United States of America, as conceived by Thomas Jefferson, no longer exists. That is why I choose to reside outside the USA.
If any possibility arises of a shooting revolution, I will be back with a gun, and willing to give my life for freedom.
All I see on Google is other folks saying he would support de-criminalization of marijuana (and AG Holder actually de-prioritized drug offenses for awhile before the DEA basically decided to ignore them and still continue their busts).
This.
Do not vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:_The_God_That_Failed
http://mises.org/document/1092/Myth-of-National-Defense-The-...
Wonderful way to be lazy while pretending to take a moral stand: Claim they're all crooks, that you can't see any difference between them, and that you refuse to participate.
It's laziness mixed with condescension and moral outrage. Perfect!
AKA, The Internet.
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I DON'T think you have it all figured out!
But you think you do.
In Ancient Greece, elections were considered (rightfully) as oligarchic, and sortition was the true instrument of democracy. Sure, their democracy was flawed (not everyone was a citizen), but it's still better than our so called modern "democracies" where a closed oligarchy of influent and wealthy people rule the world while providing the illusion of freedom. Elections are the circuses of our times, a modern game used to distract the masses, where people get to support their champion and their party.
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