Trump announces 50% tariff on Brazil for Bolsonaro trial, trade deficit
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Anyways. Fun would be if Lula goes for the run imposed by trump. Just tax imports from US by 200%, then trump goes 250. Add another 250% and so on.
Not even two days now and we've got leftists burning with patriotic fervor on social media. They've suddenly found a willingness to defend Brazil's sovereignty against US interference despite the fact they're unrepentant globalists. These are the same guys who hate the military and everything it represents. The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
Watching this circus is truly a surreal experience.
> The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
it is laughable to see Bolsonaro supporters destroy logic and call nationalism congressmen and ex-presidents asking for the US to tariff the Brazilian economy. But it is even more funny to see this backfiring - which is obvious, there is always a limit to how much you can attack your own country for political gains, including for the globalist far-right.
Lula is reelected now.
I didn't say the calls for tariffs were nationalism either. I said Bolsonaro managed to revive brazilian nationalism during the brief four years he was in power. I meant to imply that the current administration managed to destroy said nationalism. Destroying it was one of their explicit goals. They likened it to the denazification of Germany. Watching them appeal to nationalism now is just hilarious to me.
This is exactly what brazilians asked for and it's exactly what they should get. It's gotten to the point I think it'd be great if Lula was reelected. The brazilian right wing shouldn't have to spend years cleaning up the messes they leave behind only for them to come back later to enjoy the good times we've created. Let them hold onto power a little longer so that the bomb blows up in their hands.
Refrain from replying to me again if you can't muster enough respect to have a coherent discussion about our country's politics without calling others "minions". Bolsonaro is a coward who betrayed everyone who supported him. People went to jail for this guy while he was hiding in the USA like a rat. Don't call me a "Bolsominion".
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423
Their power keeps increasing to this day. It disgusts me every time they utter the word democracy.
I for one am very happy to see Trump sanction this place. Right now it looks like he's the only person in the world able and willing to put pressure on this dictatorship of the judiciary. I hope I'm around to see him personally sanction everyone involved.
Not the first time people try to gaslight me and call me mentally ill for expressing my views. Please note that I'm absolutely open to counterpoints. I'm secretly hoping someone will convince me that this country isn't the judiciary dictatorship I believe it is. Sadly it looks like you're not going to be that person.
I won't play victim, I won't support tariff retaliation. We're a peaceful nation, interested in diplomacy, with a long history of healthy commerce with the US and close ties to the north american people. This is the only sane response that one could give to such an announcement.
Rumours.
I approve the Itamaraty's reaction of not acknowledging the letter and sending it back.
Lacking a proper world leader, we the people must take the responsability of actually not negotiating with terrorists. We need to step up.
He's also threatened to apply 100% tax on countries trying to replace USD as their reserve currency, which is exactly what Lula and his friends are once again threatening.
China has a lot of leverage due to the fact they manufacture the USA's technology. We sell commodities. Natural resources and soy.
Maybe it's unconscious on your part, IDK. Do you understand what you're doing?
I said "rumours". You jumped right in at it with more rumours and name dropping.
Are you doing it because you see other people doing or do you know what you're doing?
> I said "rumours". You jumped right in at it with more rumours and name dropping.
that is what happens when someone agrees with your "rumour"?
weird interaction.
I did gave a big hint though (mentioning the Itamaraty)! It was hard to miss, but somehow you missed it.
Of course it's weird. It is meant to bring this lesser known approach to a potential public that does not know much about it.
> I did gave a big hint though (mentioning the Itamaraty)! It was hard to miss, but somehow you missed it.
I approve the Itamaraty's reaction of not acknowledging the letter and sending it back.
Lacking a proper world leader, we the people must take the responsability of actually not negotiating with terrorists. We need to step up.
If you didn't understood, why didn't you asked for clarification?
It seems that what you really missed was an opportunity to engage the interaction in a healthy way. Or maybe you missed an opportunity to listen more respectfully to the opinions of others.
Look how far you dragged this discussion out of scope. It's kind of obvious that you made a mistake.
I agreed with your first post, not the weird reply to someone that engaged with your post agreeing with you.
> Look how far you dragged this discussion out of scope. It's kind of obvious that you made a mistake.
That is exactly what I think you did with that reply.
Trump thinks he's the US. He thinks he is the country. You (all commenters on this sub-thread alike) are playing his game, a cult of personality game.
If I talk about presidents, I make nations smaller than them. Therefore, Trump to me is just like a used car salesman in this discussion.
In our country, Brazil, the Itamaraty answers foreign relation issues. Not the media, not president interviews. We, as a people, do not want to live in a cult of personality. I think our diplomats represent well that intent.
You are free to disagree, of course, and cheer for your favorite leader. But in that case, you need to do it in another sub-thread. I do not welcome that kind of discussion.
Now you met a different kind of brazillian, with a different kind of argument. Not new, not exactly original, but way different than you seem to be used to.
It's completely fine that you find it weird that I keep trying the diplomacy stuff. You're used to the leader talk stuff, probably never saw anything other than that. Now you have.
Having made the proper introductions (unecessary, you could have read the history of the Itamaraty and inferred why I answered that way), now you are better equipped to talk with me. If you don't do that and go back to leader vs leader nonsense, I will assume ill intent.
In regards to diplomacy, it is in the interest of our nation to keep commerce with the US. We have a long history of it. Our nations also have much in common culturally, and our peoples are connected in several ways.
These tariffs represent a break of that trust. We, as a nation, were spied on, meddled with and bullied. Our apparent inaction to some of those breaks of trust is not due to fear or some secret alliegence, but to work for enduring peace (we're tolerating a clown, trusting that people will see beyond the circus).
You sound like a teenager that learned about diplomacy and the Itamaraty recently and thinks everyone else is an ignorant.
> You are free to disagree, of course, and cheer for your favorite leader. But in that case, you need to do it in another sub-thread. I do not welcome that kind of discussion.
Yeah. Here we go again. Your way to argue is really, really weird. I will just say that I agree with everything you said prior this part and leave you to discuss with your imaginary opponents alone.
I'm talking about foreign relations. That's why I mentioned the Itamaraty.
You're talking about news, media, interviews, etc.
You didn't noticed what my angle was, and you wanted to participate, but ended up talking about a different thing.
The only diplomacy I want to see is of the gunboat kind. The supreme court made it clear gunboat diplomacy was their condition for folding. They said something akin to "if they park an aircraft carrier next to us then we'll see". I would have loved to see that.
Perhaps I'm saying nothing about election politics, and I'm more worried about the longstanding brazillian diplomatic tradition.
Perhaps I knew someone would bring a specific discussion to this, and disarmed it beforehand (which is super weird, I agree, but within the realm of previsibility).
Let's put some possibilities on the table:
1. You have no knowledge about diplomacy. You think it's talking soft or something like that, and you're repeating things you heard from someone else.
2. You know what diplomacy is, and you're playing dumb.
2a. You know what diplomacy is, and you're playing dumb to provoke me into going into a discussion that clearly has no conclusion.
2b. You know what diplomacy is, and you're playing dumb because you're suspicious of the way I approached the subject outside of common narratives.
3. You understand as much of the dynamics as I do, but you're putting me in a situation that I need to explain it more pedanticly (totally fine, I already explained in a simple way before, so this would be dumb on your part).
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Which one is the closest to what you feel? Is there another one? Please, enlighten us. Don't be shy to assume option 1 if that's what it really is.
See? Cards on the table. Honesty. Try it, it's good.
I'd appreciate a discussion about how the diplomats might contribute towards solving the judiciary dictatorship problem. I assume they would only act to preserve the status quo via negotiation and deescalation. That's the opposite of what I want them to do.
I'll just do what you asked and refrain from replying to you in the future.
Your stuff: "I heard that...", "Leader says...", "You're like a teenager..." etc
My stuff: "Traditionally...", "What is reasonable?", "I'll explain..." etc
These two kinds of discourses don't mix.
You hear stuff from one of your trusted sources, and you repeat it. When you find something that can align with your discourse, you interact.
The point is that you all share "the same stuff", stuff I'm not interested in. It's the other way around, the mass of internet arguments you're a part of lacks the kind of stuff I have. That's why you're so drawn to it.
Relax, it's all mostly unconscious behavior. It's not about you specifically, more the swarm you belong to.