The fact that nobody is actually shocked by Grok's new behavior should be telling.
supporting afd does not make him a nazi, nor is afd a nazi party.
Elon supports Netanyahu and Israel, a jewish state.
Elon is not a socialist, nor a nationalist. Elon is more free speech (not perfect) while Nazis are big on censorship. He is opposite to Nazi idealogy in most cases, specially the most important parts
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I did say it's not perfect. but out of all mainstream social media platforms, twitter is the least censored
We also know that since the Elon take over, compliance with government takedowns has sharply increased.
Saying twitter is the most censored is completely delusional. "Controversial" (e.g alex jones, nick fuentes) people can't even make an account on other social media sites
It's simply the facts. Elon allows people like Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones on the site because they share a political agenda. Twitter is the only social media site where e.g. links to competitor platforms are suppressed while the owner of the site artificially boosts his own posts above those that are more popular.
Twitter is the most cutting edge censorship platform.
Links to competitor platforms being suppressed lol. Other social media sites ban you for having viewpoints that do not align with theirs. Who cares about linking to competitor platforms?
They don't agree on everything, but it's simply wrong to state they are on opposite sides. They're both far right public figures and extreme Trump supporters that later became critics of the administration. I wouldn't label Elon as a Nazi, but he thinks racism is based just like Fuentes and is generally supportive of Nazi talking points which he is wont to retweet.
> Links to competitor platforms being suppressed lol
That's literally systematic censorship. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss it says a lot about your intellectual honesty on the topic.
> Other social media sites ban you for having viewpoints that do not align with theirs
Totally false.
Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view?
> is generally supportive of Nazi talking points which he is wont to retweet.
Like what?
> That's literally systematic censorship. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss it says a lot about your intellectual honesty on the topic.
Censoring competitor platforms is the least of my concerns when it comes to censorship. I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced.
i think it's 100% true that somebody can be racist and also want to abuse the H1B program for personal gain
> I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced.
which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them.
Then you have to make a very strong case of him being racist. Racists don't usually want to flood their country with foreigners.
> which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them.
And who decides what views are antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed? Is capitalism worthless greed? Trans can be considered harmful by some. Communism/Socialism is considered harmful by others. None of those should be banned.
To be specific, one view that gets you banned is talking about the overwhelming influence that "Israel" has over United States, media, news and politics/government.
i'm finding it hard not to respond glibly here. are you familiar with the history of slavery in america? or, perhaps, the history of apartheid in south africa? the point you're trying to make here does not stand.
> Is capitalism worthless greed?
i strongly believe so, so write me off now i guess
> Trans can be considered harmful by some
that's bait, but fine. by whom? to whom? don't bring up vague hypotheticals if you're not willing to defend their conclusions.
> i strongly believe so, so write me off now i guess
So do you see now why free speech is important, and that censoring content under vague labels like "harmful" or "worthless greed" isn't actually good, since a pro capitalist government can consider your statements as such?
> that's bait, but fine. by whom? to whom? don't bring up vague hypotheticals if you're not willing to defend their conclusions.
Bait how? Current US administration considers it harmful. Conservatives consider it harmful. The average person few decades considered it harmful.
He's obviously far right and everyone knows this, it's not worth my time to argue the point. Funny coming from someone throwing out insults like "delusional".
> Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view?
The two do not contradict each other. We're on HN, everyone understands the financial dynamics that underpin Elon's support for Indian immigration, none of that precludes him from racism. Your reasoning is even weaker than "the black friend" defense.
> Like what?
There are many examples. Google "you have said the actual truth" for one. I won't do further research on your behalf since you don't really care.
> Censoring competitor platforms is the least of my concerns when it comes to censorship
In other words, you don't actually care about censorship, you just have an axe to grind.
> I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced.
And yet Twitter regularly silences critics while propping up sycophants. It seems to me that you're just dismissing it because it aligns with your biases.
Ah yeah, he's so racist that he wants millions of foreigners in his country. It makes absolute no sense. You also haven't even provided any reasoning for him being racist.
> Google "you have said the actual truth" for one
That one is actual truth btw. But of course, in true "Nazi" fashion, he did an apology tour in Israel and in auswitzch.
It's funny how the claims of nazi links is always far reaching at straws. Oh he replied "you have said the actual truth" to someone on twitter talking about white hatred. Or he did a "nazi salute" while saying my heart goes out to you! Always nothing of substance. Nothing he does is pro 'nazi'. Importing millions of foreigners as a nazi is like being a jewish nazi btw. Goes completely against the ideaology.
I don't like elon musk but calling him racist/a nazi is just completely wrong.
> In other words, you don't actually care about censorship, you just have an axe to grind.
No, I care about censoring people's views and opinions and not censoring links to other platforms. If you can't see the difference then you are being dishonest.
> And yet Twitter regularly silences critics while propping up sycophants
No it doesn't regularly silence critics. Sometimes he will temporarily ban someone in his tantrum. Like I said, not perfect, but far better than any other mainstream social media. Regular stuff on twitter would get you insta banned elsewhere.
It's similar regarding his endorsing antisemitism and racism. However, I understand that people on the right don't believe anything is racist or antisemitic unless it's something the Democrats are doing or saying, so I can at least accept that as the standard talking point.
It's not surprising that you also believe what is unequivocally a Nazi salute is "my heart goes out to you". I know you don't agree, but there's no discussion to be had about what is clearly apparent to the naked eye.
As far as the censorship goes, just google something like "elon musk silences critics" for many examples. You can save yourself the time to explain why it's all fake news and lies, I get it, but even some right-wingers have faced censorship from Elon, funny how even they suddenly agree with all the crazy liars when the leopard bites their face.
Anyway, we're operating in a fundamentally different reality. No point in discussing this further, but feel free to reply and I will read it. Have a great day.