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That's certainly worse, but needing to use your phone to run the dishwasher is still bullshit.

How on earth does that work in an Airbnb? Or like, even my house guests? Do my parents and housekeeper and who knows who else all need to be set up with the Bosch app to be able to function in my kitchen?

It barely works if you're two adults in a home. Half of all the smart appliances can only be linked to one device. Sorry honey, I couldn't do the dishes or the laundry, the machines are linked to your Bosch account.

So is being obligated to use remote control to operate your TV, but here we are. The only way out of this bind is to obligate manufacturers for different classes of appliances to comply with some standards about local functionality. Which I approve.

But the TV comes with the remote. An appliance with an app doesn't even have the courtesy of a remote.

It's somewhat the same problem because its possible to lose manufacturer remotes.

And if the TV decided to implement weird, non-standard control signals, it can be a pain to access certain functionality with universal remotes (e.g. settings).

Different path to get there, but same end result: not being able to access functionality without going through an annoying manufacturer-specific route.

My TV has buttons and I can control it via my phone (universal remote inbuilt app)

I've got one of these Boschs, and it is bullshit ... but you "only" need the app to run some of the cycle types, so it's only a problem sometimes. The delicate cycle being app limited would be a problem if we used that more often.

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