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Anyone who puts weight on digging through a project to see if they've ever leaked a secret is guilty of encouraging an antipattern-- the guaranteed outcome is you'll have an organization petrified of shipping anything, in case someone interprets it as bad or a security risk, etc.

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You can see it that way, however, there are automated tools to scan for secrets. Even github does it. In my opinion, this educates the developers to be more careful and slightly more security oriented, rather than afraid of shipping code.

I would also like to remind that a leaked AWS secret can cost 100Ks of $ to an organization. And AWS won't help you there.

It can literally break your company and get people unemployed, depending on the secret/saas.

While I am not suggesting that people should go out and leak their secret keys or push a buffer overflow, the fastest way to learn that you have this problem is by pushing that code to the internet on a project that isn't important. The AWS secret key thing doesn't hold up here, you just really shouldn't do it, but how about an ec2 ssh key or passwords in plaintext? How did I learn about parameterized queries for SQL injection and XML escape vulnerabilities? By waking up to a Russian dude attacking my Java myspace clone.

No amount of internal review and coding standards and etc will catch all of these things. You can only hope that you build the muscle memory to catch most of them, and that muscle memory is forged through being punched in the face

Lastly, any pompous corporate developer making 200k a year or more who claims they've never shipped a vuln and that they write perfect code the first time is just a liar.

> No amount of internal review and coding standards and etc will catch all of these things. You can only hope that you build the muscle memory to catch most of them, and that muscle memory is forged through being punched in the face

Everything you mentioned is security 101, widely known, and can be caught by standard tools. Shrugging that off as a learning experience does not really hold much water in a professional context.

"In a professional context". Spare me. Don't act like every company on earth has a free, performant, 100% accurate no false positive linter hooked up to their magical build pipeline. Have you seen the caliber of companies that have been affected by CVEs and password/PII leaks since just covid? It's everyone

The responsibility is on the programmer to learn and remember these things. Period, end of story. Just as smart pointers are a bandaid on a bigger problem with real consequences (memory fragmentation and cache misses), so too is a giga-linter that serves as permanent training wheels for so called programmers.

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