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While people simultaneously scream for people to have more children. See you at terminally low total fertility rates.

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I follow the pro/anti natalist space and I'm not sure if anybody is "screaming" at people to have more kids.

How about the vice president

https://apnews.com/article/jd-vance-childless-cat-ladies-bir...

Is this "screaming?"

It’s less “screaming” and more “tut-tut moralizing and shaming”. Ironically, it’s mostly from the same people who spent the previous decades going “don’t have kids you can’t afford!” and are now appalled that people took their advice.

Wasn't the previous advice meant for black and muslim people, rather than WASPs?

I happen to live near a very religious community, and I share some common spaces with some of the families coming from that background (swimming pool, parks).

They don't scream, but the social pressure is absolutely there.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44423897

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/30/nx-s1-5382208/whats-behind-th...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bridget-phil...

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/jun/25/parenti...

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/article/2024/may/25...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/11/what-is-pron...

https://www.vox.com/policy/363543/pronatalism-vance-birth-ra...

https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/the-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/style/women-pronatalist-m...

https://fairerdisputations.org/have-more-kids/

https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-parental-dead-end-of-consent-m...

As someone who also follows pro/anti natalist space closely, I'm not worried pronatlism efforts are going to move the needle though.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/25/adults-no-children-why-pew-...

https://iop.harvard.edu/youth-poll/50th-edition-spring-2025

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jesusfv/Slides_London.pdf

This is people talking about the issue, not "screaming."

If you were going to have children, you'd have them regardless of what your income was. There are people in the developing world living on a dollar a day who become parents.

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people who would definitely have more children if they won the lottery tomorrow. Maybe not in your surroundings, or even in your country, but very much so elsewhere.

>There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people who would definitely have more children if they won the lottery tomorrow.

If this were true (and I don't concede that it is), then you've just stated that the minimum bribe sufficient to persuade someone to become a parent is a lottery jackpot.

Mostly though, people who won lotteries would rather spend that on themselves. Demographic collapse is inevitable, and you'll die without even understanding why it happened.

They absolutely said nothing about a minimum.

They did. The implicit statement is right there... if there were something significantly lesser that had the same effect, then that would be the salient example. If he had any such examples to choose from, why choose the absurdly improbable one?

Well, the reason why you choose the absurdly improbable example, is because it's still the least absurd/improbable. Why does this need to be explained to you?

It is true, but they're in cultures and countries you haven't experienced. Here it's common for people who have experienced a sudden windfall to get a second child that they had been wanting to have but weren't having because of financial reasons. Zero chance this is the only place in the world where that's the case.

As the other person pointed out, a lottery jackpot is also far above the minimum, it was just the most obvious example of a sudden windfall. And even then I was considering lottery jackpots here which are usually $0.5m-5m, not tens or hundreds of millions which seems common in the US (I could be wrong on that).

In other news, Cattle are are being inseminated to not only provide milk, but also to have their children culled for meat after birth.

Children have been treated like state/church assets for multiple centuries if not millennia now.

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