iPhone customers upset by Apple Wallet ad pushing F1 movie
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I get enough advertising in my life, without it constantly assaulting me every time I check my watch or phone lock screen. So no Apple Wallet, you do not get to keep your notification privileges.
I haven't. When I read that I was wondering if you were going to say it got better and is good now or something. Oh well. Good to know. Thanks for the info.
So it would appear some operating systems are in fact immune to this.
Yes, we can. The other 99% of users can't, it sounds like Chinese to them.
Debian is a thing. Perhaps no commercial OS?
Also, you must not have tried Debian very recently, since as of https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2022/10/msg00... it also includes firmware by default.
What do you pay the apple tax for?
Vertical integration of hardware/firmware/OS/Software/services from a big tech firm that isn’t making their margins from selling my personal data and actually delivers industry leading privacy features
Pushing ads through the Wallet is pretty gauche though. Nobody’s perfect
> actually delivers industry leading privacy features
You can't prove that to save your life. You can hope that Apple delivers industry-leading privacy features... but there is no iOS Open Source Project for you to audit. Apple sues security researchers, the most cutting-edge iOS vulnerability engineers make six figures working for NSO Group. You aren't trusted with an open bootloader to try using other phone ROMs, not that anything would stop it from working. You aren't given a way to roll back updates if Apple makes a controversial change to their security model. Apple won't even give you alternatives to features they admit are backdoored[0].
It's entirely a system of trust. If you don't trust Apple unconditionally, the magic of their products starts to collapse. It's not a new trend either, people in this thread are right to call back to the "gracious" free U2 album. Or further back to the coinage of "Reality Distortion Field" itself.
> Nobody’s perfect
You say that like there's no way to fix this. As though you live in an alternate reality where it's somehow impossible to write software that respects the user, or legislate guidelines that enforces fair competition.
[0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...
And then come back and tell me that there is anyone else going through such hoops (at not charge) to make sure they know nothing about you and you don’t need to trust them for the system to work
Whitepapers are whitepapers. Apple had Push Notification whitepapers that insisted the data was private, look how that turned out. I don't care about their third-party auditors, I want transparency and I don't care who calls me crazy for it.
How did it turn out? Could you expand on or link to what you’re talking about?
> 4.5.4
> Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges.
To be honest I would like to see Apple be more strict with this stuff in App Review. It's frustrating what some of the big apps get away with.
I turned off emergency alerts when they had that trump alert, and now they seem to have added "test alerts" as an option.
I suspect crying wolf just leads to people dying because they turned off emergency alerts.
Also also, Apple (and basically all devs) have instrumentation to tell them if people are disabling notifications. So if enough people disable notifications for Apple Wallet, I promise you someone in corporate will notice.
You can’t actually disable presidential level alerts unless you have a jailbroken/rooted phone.
I know because in Canada they send every alert at that priority level and none of them have can be disabled. (Though phones customized to the Canadian locale have “Presidential” removed from the front-end nomenclature.)
I don't care what the app is. The split second it starts using notifications to send unsolicited marketing, it's notification privileges are revoked and I seriously consider deleting it. And I run very few apps to begin with.
"It's better in the app" is, usually, just "better for the publisher" and, rarely, for the user. Use the web unless there's no other option or the app affordances (e.g. real-time navigation, health monitoring) are too valuable.
Apparently in the new beta the Wallet app actually does let you disable promotional notifications, so that's a start. Now do every other app.
The same company that decided to put F1 Movie ads in Apple Wallet?
I stopped using the Instacart app as it just keeps piling on more and more "offer overlays" that I have to click-away. At least with the web, I can remove them with preemptive HTML parsing and just "view the essentials" to get the job done.
There has got to be a "laffer curve" for "attention tax" revenue.
Wouldn't mind enough, to be clear.
And I think you're giving too much magical credit to FAANGs, they measure things the same way as everyone else. It could very well be that this was a relatively innocuous test to see how much users would mind more in the future.
"We figure we can fill up to 80% of the user's field of view with ads before inducing seizures" was a very apt description of such discussions (Ready Player One the movie)
I personally would love it if Apple would allow for some kind of filtering of 'offers' vs substantive notifications across iOS, but this gives me less hope of that ever happening.
I DON’T want Uber Eats to tell me I should order pizza tonight.
I do want to know when the delivery driver is outside.
I get so frustrated by apps that I need notifications on for but I don't want marketing BS, unfortunately there is no middle ground.
On top of filtering Apple should force app developers to segment their push notifications and allow users to block different types. This would be completely in line with Apple's _stated_ priorities and a great thing to advertise (I can imagine the commercials for it already).
I really appreciate Notification Summaries and the distinction of Live Activities and "Time Sensitive" notifications as "can break out of summaries". Unfortunately each app has to opt in to using these other two things for their non-promotional stuff, and also can lie and mark their promotional stuff as "Time Sensitive" (I'm looking at you LinkedIn, which for me is now banned from all notifications forever, you misused them too much and I don't need you).
What is immediately worth a one-star review of an App for me (including the corresponding comment with the reasons), when it uses it "Important" channel to send me some ad or other stupid notification like "Please rate me".
Abusing "Time Sensitive" is also a "time to give a bad review" case for me, too.
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And what’s worse is that the companies always seem to find a way to reset it to what they want quite frequently. One of their tricks is to reorganize permissions frequently so the ones that allow their spam to get through are always new
help me understand that position.
Is it me, or is Apple is taking a page out of Microsoft's playbook here? It's ironic how every company seems to be converging now.
Eventually, they will all become Oracle.
It doesn't work very well though. The list of notification types is per-app, many apps just have one catch-all category. And many others don't separate ads from others, presumably to force you into seeing the ads. It's also a huge PITA to manage notification types for 100+ apps.
But now when you block one, it says "If you block XYZ, News will stop showing stories from this channel, except when selected by the Apple News editors".
Ridiculous. If I go to the trouble of blocking a site, that means I don't want to see anything from them, ever.
He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. “I'll pay you tomorrow,” he told the door. Again it remained locked tight. “What I pay you,” he informed it, “is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you.”
“I think otherwise,” the door said. “Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt.”
… he found the contract. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip.
“You discover I'm right,” the door said. It sounded smug.
From the drawer beside the sink Joe Chip got a stainless steel knife; with it he began systematically to unscrew the bolt assembly of his apt’s money-gulping door.
— Ubik, Philip K Dick, 1969
Apple read Ubik and took the lesson to build everything with proprietary screw heads.
It doesn't matter what you paid. The whole point of a software "ecosystem" is to drop the user into a food chain, with "shareholder value" as the apex predator. Paying more doesn't buy you better protection. Channeling your purchases through their payments system just makes you a fatter target.
If I want to change wallpaper, ringtone, it will show full page Ads. Even file manager app shows Ads. Wallpaper and ringtone apps are pure garbage.
You'll probably prefer your choice because you can cater to your taste e.g. dual pane or whatever. I think I use one called File Manager from fdroid but there is more than one with that name. I probably use termux more. No app can beat a terminal and scripts! I don't touch wallpapers/ringtones.
I do boil with fury at ads in Google Pay though. Anyone know a fix?
Really disappointing to see Apple go this way. Now our only choices are devices with adware or expensive devices with mild (but worsening) adware.
It feels so bad to have to leave, there are still some nice apps that I really like on iOS and have no true equivalent on Android.
> 4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges.
Specifically:
> Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages.
Literally NO apps follow this rule but Apple doesn't care, it's really annoying since they randomly pull out one of these guidelines to smack you with during app review but it's completely unclear which ones are actually enforced until you get hit with one. Even then, enforcement is uneven (understatement of the century).
[0] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
-- Steve Jobs, probably
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If I want ads I'll watch a superbowl replay.
Unlike a gas station, it's much harder to switch phones :/
And then we got a pencil pusher.
Apple, you're a computer company, not a media production firm. Cut the stupid shit with TV+.
UPDATE: Ugh, just saw that this isnt even an ad inside the app. This was a fucking push notification. ew.
-- Android user
anyway, there's a reason I told myself to stop participating in any of this discourse.
That’s not true at all. The same people complaining about this push notification complain just as much about those Settings ads.