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Wouldn't that need a huge amount of extra hardware to do that filtering when the routers in each customer's home are mostly idle? Just setting egress filtering as the default and letting users override that if they need to for some reason should be a good outcome. The few that do change the default hopefully know what they are doing and won't end up part of a DDoS but they'll be few anyway so the impact will still be small.

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> Wouldn't that need a huge amount of extra hardware to do that filtering

20 years ago Cisco (probably much longer) routers were able to do this without noticeable performance overhead (ip verify unicast reverse-path). I don't think modern routers are worse. Generally filtering is expensive if you need a lot of rules which is not needed here.

The router in the customer's home cannot be trusted. With cable at least, you are able to bring in your own modem and router. Even if not, swapping it is easy, you just have to clone the original modem's MAC. In practice this is probably quite common to save money if nothing else (cable box rental is $10+/mo).

Note that spoofing source IPs is only needed by the attacker in an amplification attack, not for the amplyfing devices and not for a "direct" botnet DDOS.

I would in fact guess that it's not common at all. Setting up your own cable modem and router is going to be intimidating for the average consumer, and the ISP's answer to any problems is going to be "use our box instead" and they don't want to be on their own that way. I don't know anyone outside of people who work in IT who runs their own home router, and even many of them just prefer to let the ISP take care of it.

I think it is less common now, but ISP routers on average used to be trash with issues — bufferbloat, memory leaks, crashes — so a number of people bought a higher end router to replace the ISP provided one. Mostly tech savvy people who were not necessarily in IT.

Nowadays my ISP just uses dhcp to assign the router an address so you can plug any box into it which talks ethernet and respects dhcp leases to be a router which is nice, albiet 99.9% of people probably leave the router alone.

Common no, very easy to proliferate though as people become aware of the savings possible. And the 2 cases I've seen where litteraly order the same model online and swap it, no configuring required. And it wasn't even the family tech support guy(me) who came up with the idea. The ISPs incuding the router as a monthly line item on the bill are litteraly indirectly asking you to do this.

Comcast/Xfinity in fact gives me a discount for using their router. Probably because (a) it lowers their support burden and (b) they are logging and selling my web traffic or at least DNS lookups.

That's surprising to me, it was when I used Comcast (2016) that I first purchased a cable modem. It did save me money.

Oh I also forgot that connection sharing thing they do where they broadcast a second SSID called "Xfinity WiFi" or something like that so that anyone with an Comcast login can use your connection.

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