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Trump says both Iran and Israel violated a ceasefire

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Where Israel or Iran informed of the cease fire?

It feels like everyone in the region is inflicted with a terrible case of Asperger’s Syndrome, because it seems like so many people there are sociopathic and stupidly trip over their own clumsy illogic to perform the mental gymnastics that irrationally qualifies war with ever changing flimsy excuses at everyone else’s expense.

Comments here on HN, in other related threads, from people living in those countries just continue to illustrate this extreme sociopathic insanity.

It is not easy to forgive someone when they have killed someone you know, or even someone you know of. All sides have such people.

But until all sides find the strength to forgive, the cycles of hatred, vengeance, and killing will continue.

The most hopeful recent sign I have seen is actually Iran's "attack" on a US base, which was almost purely symbolic.

I was symbolic only because of the balance of power is highly asymmetric in the US' favor.

I'm not sure we can expect Iran to stop fomenting fundamentalism across the region anytime soon.

just FYI, USA has no problem with a country spreading fundamentalists, for example Saudi Arabia spreads Wahhabism, Syrian's various conflicting islamic fundamentalist groups were backed, some by CIA, some by Pentagon. Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were a USA ally and fundamentalist who fought against Soviets.

the issue is that Iran is not under the USA/Israel's control, that's it. Fundamentalism, religion is only a convenient pretext that is used to spread islamophobia and unjust hatred towards Iranians.

if you actually read Ayatollah Khomenei's twitter, it mostly anti-imperialist, anti-zionism, and strive to be independent. There is no fundamentalism in Iran's ideology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_policy_of_exporting_the_Is...

"Exporting the Islamic Revolution, in Khomeini's view, meant the export of the teachings and experiences of the Iranian Revolution to other nations for their liberation from the colonial powers"

the main lesson of the Iranian Revolution is to 1) get rid of the western colonialists' control over oil resources in the muslim world, and 2) get rid of the western settler colonies that are oppressing muslims in the region.

Remember that the Iranian Revolution was happened against the western controlled puppet Shah that gave all of Iran's oil to the British Petroleum (Anglo-Persian Oil Company)

you did very selective quoting. also, how "exporting revolution looks in practice":

https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2...

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12587

none of these shia groups mentioned in these reports have a goal of establishing radical fundamentalist theocracies.

All of these groups are anti-colonial, anti-western, and pro-iran.

As a counterexample you can look at US Congress funded extremist terrorists groups, like:

  0. Jabhat al-Nusra / HTS
  1. Al-Qaeda (Jake Sullivan to Clinton: "Al-Qaeda is on our side" https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23225 )
  2. Ahrar al-Sham
  3. Free Syrian Army and its factions
  4. Southern Front
  5. Farouq Brigades
  6. ISIS - all trained and organized at Camp Bucca under the US Army and Joint Task Force 134 (Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Haji Bakr, Abu Muslim and other isis leaders)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world/middleeast/suspicion...

Al-Qaeda rebels love Israel: https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/12/06/al-qaeda-rebels-s...

those groups created/sponsored by iran in order to advance it targets. you don't throw billions of dollars into "non-aligned entities"

also excellent whataboutism. you can also remember that usa literally terrorized uk as it first step

your argument was about Iran being a danger because they were "spreading fundamentalism".

I just proved that USA and its despotic monarchy allies/vassals in the middle east are the one spreading fundamentalism.

So the real purpose is just colonial control by the USA over the last more or less independent country in the middle east.

Same as Cuba: Cuba represents no danger as far as military or socialism. It is still being sanctioned to the detriment of its population, just because it has not submitted fully to be taken over by the US capital and military

> It feels like everyone in the region is inflicted with a terrible case of Asperger’s Syndrome (...)

If you were in charge of a country, how would you react if another country started bombing your cities?

He would of course use his super intelligence and alien space lasers to target only the people actually launching the rockets, his from-the-future space lasers are so accurate and advanced that there is no possibility of collateral damage. He would be able to then explain to the “civilians” who until 10 minutes ago were cheering for his demise that akctually he’s on their side and they don’t really hate him and therefore bec he knows them better than they know themselves they will magically stop supporting their brothers, fathers, uncles, and cousins who have spent their entire lives trying to kill him and instead all those people will suddenly realize that he alone is their savior and thus there will be peace.

The above is the actual complete thought process of all the people who casually complain about what Israel is doing without any understanding of the history or the region.

Nah leaders there just know they'll have unconditional support from built up cultural hate, religious fanatics that are trained to support them, and economic power types that see war as profitable.

We need to ignore them and isolate them from our own country's politics. All they do is create (often violent and expensive) problems for the rest of us who have no reason to be involved.

I find this fantasy that countries, least of all the US, should or can even "isolate" itself from what happens in the rest of world, amusing

Why? What are they going to do? Sail up the Chesapeake bay and start shelling us?

The US should isolate itself from nations that cannot play well with their neighbors and are constantly engaged in conflict both internally and externally. This is exactly what I mean by sociopaths.

One country in particular just expects the US to constantly feed them weapons, terrorize the people under their management, and never be held accountable for anything. When anyone does ask that country about their conduct they immediately play the race card and invent wild justifications far outside the conduct in question. How is that not sociopathic?

It would all be so entertaining... if it weren't real life!

Why don't you simply say sociopathy instead of Asperger's, which has been merged with autism?

Because I am being considerate. Sociopaths occur for one of two causes: neuro-divergence or chronic abuse. I find it more optimistic to give people the benefit of the doubt instead of just assuming them to be harmful monsters. Sociopathy is a frequent function of autism in general, but overwhelmingly with Asperger's.

And Israelis instead of everyone, since it's clear he basically means Israelis after reading the comments. I guess saying all Israelis are sociopaths is a bit much even for HN ...

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