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Yeah maybe. Talk is cheap, show me the code.

> Last week, I did something I’ve put off for 10 years. Built a full production-grade desktop app in 1 week. Fully reviewed. Clean code. Launched builds on Launchpad. UI/UX and performance? Better than most market leaders. ONE. WEEK.

I really wonder why people who write these things never actually show these apps they vibe coded in a week that are “better than most market leaders”.

> We’ve hit the point where asking “Which programming language should I learn?” is almost irrelevant. The real skill now is system design, architecture, DevOps, cloud — the stuff that separated juniors from seniors. That’s what’ll matter.

My UML professor said very similar things 25 years ago. You’d just draw a UML diagram, and boom! All the code would be generated. The only thing I remember from this class is how terrible she was at coding.

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> Yeah maybe. Talk is cheap, show me the code.

Or even just link the app (which the poster is presumably eager to market, right?) as a bare minimum.

If LLMs for coding were half as productive at cranking out production quality software unassisted as the astroturfed hype around them suggests we should have seen a large unmistakable wave of better, faster-released software by now just in the output of software companies, startups, etc, but beyond the hype blogs (or reddit posts) I'm not seeing anything other than the status quo.

I'm not saying LLMs are worthless, they are pretty useful as advanced autocomplete and documentation that you can also happen to ask things in natural languages and get reasonable results (so long as you already have a solid enough base of knowledge to recognize when they are going off the rails). They can be very useful productivity speed-up tools, especially when you start working in a new realm.

But there's a long way from that to the "replaces 90% of all developers in writing 100% of their code" that is being sold in the hype.

Claude Code has been out for a decent amount of time. How long until we have a completely vibe-coded web browser? Linux replacement? New programming language that solves all our previous problems? Serenity was able to make a decent amount of progress with a small team in a few years, so with a 10x productivity improvement surely we'll see fully polished and complete products in the next year. Surely we'll see FAANG become more productive. Surely we'll see new unicorns come to unseat stagnating giants.

> Fully reviewed

Reviewed by a bot (that wrote it no less) is not reviewed. This person is not a software engineer.

> My UML professor said very similar things 25 years ago.

Yeah, it feels like a lot of these stories are the new version of the methodology / database / framework hype we've seen for so many years... with our new tool, you can write Reddit / Yelp / Wikipedia / S3 / etc. in a week. Sure, you can write a prototype that kind of replicates the surface level functionality. How about the actual hard part? Things like scaling, optimization of computing resources across large fleets, evolution of the system to attract more customers, fighting spam, increasingly complicated integrations with 3rd parties, maintenance, etc.

So much of this will turn out like all those things we've seen before. It will take skilled engineers doing a lot of thinking to figure out the right way to leverage the tools to make better systems for less.

I think on it from the perspective that Claude can already replace the majority of methodology zealots because it is intellectually on par with them. (in coding)

I’m always a little surprised when LinkedIn-style posts like this make it on Reddit.

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