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from what i understand orion is overflowing with bugs.

even without the bugs, after everything we’ve been through with crazy shit from closed sourced browser companies, the last thing i’d install would be orion/kagi. lol nuh uh.

not a chance i’d trust an ai company with almost the entirety of my online existence—especially when they close off and hide what they’re doing.

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Orion is not made by an AI company, it’s made by Kagi.

If you’re an open source or non-profit diehard then yes, it’s not that, but as far as closed source for-profit businesses go, they’re a lot better than most. They are a public benefit corporation that has rejected VC funding, and their main pitch is aligning user and company benefit, despite the mainstream currently railing against it.

I’m not affiliated, just a user.

> from what i understand orion is overflowing with bugs

I use it as a daily driver on macOS. Not noticing the bugs anymore.

I just started giving it a try again about a week ago, and I second this. A year ago it was nearly unusable for any extension outside their preferred list, now it’s largely a pleasant experience.

I use it on iPhone, it has lots of bugs. But it's worth it for the ad blocking

Why not just use AdGuard or PiHole?

Those are DNS blockers. You're not going to block YouTube ads with those.

Plus, I want blocking when I'm outside of my house. I don't always want to run everything through Tailscale and Apple doesn't always make that easy. It'll turn off your VPN quite frequently...

Do you use Bitwarden with it, by any chance? I daily drove it for quite a while, about mid 2022-late 2023. Poor bitwarden support plus a pile of paper cuts drove me away. When it worked as intended, I liked it, and I'm not opposed to paying for a good browser, but it was too buggy at that time for a subscription to feel like a good deal.

Vivaldi is closed source as well, yet it's one of the better browsers around.

(and has integrated ad blocker that is "good enough" for all practical purposes)

Not having any issues at all with Orion on iOS. And yeah like others said Kagi is not “an AI company“?

AI company?

I thought Orion is made by Kagi?

They started peddling an AI assistant a while back:

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

I don't think I'd have called them an AI company on that basis any more than I'd call JetBrains an AI company for the same reason. But I can see why someone might call them that.

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