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Fake bands and artificial songs are taking over YouTube and Spotify

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And Spotify is not interested in improving at all. One artist I liked got some generated things added as new albums years ago and I still can't find a way to tell them they're different artists using the same name. The band is not active it seems and not interested in raising the issue themselves. Spotify ignored all the feedback I tried to send. They really don't give a fuck as long as money keeps coming.

question is who rakes in the money then

Spotify has been accused of recommending their own AI-generated fake artists in order to avoid paying royalties to real artists.

Everyone gets the Internet they deserve.

Fake movie trailers on YouTube as well.

I wonder if liking one of them opens the floodgates to recommendations for others, and becomes a kind of positive feedback loop.

On Spotify I noticed that just not skipping them is enough. I listen to music during work and I noticed it's getting more aggressive at playing tracks from "artists" that don't really exist. I guess it's less royalties for them.

Not hugely. There's one ai album I genuinely enjoyed and liked it on YouTube. I get an occasional generated album recommendation now, but it's nowhere near floodgates.

If it did, it would suggest they actually have metadata indicating it's AI-generated (in spite of whatever protests to the contrary they're making).

Since some people actively try to block AI channels, it's probably quite easy to identify them from user behavior.

Maybe, unless people are liking something that AI is providing, without necessarily being aware of it.

It's not hard for us to pick out slop art and writing that's similar to some samples we've seen. We don't need explicit labeling, models shouldn't either.

Pop Will Eat Itself was right all along…

I wonder how it is affecting music torrent sites- they reward people uploading new music with download quota, so it seems like a way for torrenters to cheat the system.

Yeh but where are the hits coming from?

This may be good news. Some people will want to consume more real natural music. The best way to make this happen with minimal incidence of fakery will be very small-scale cottage-industry performance venues, 10 to 50 people in a room, including both musicians and performers, voices, instruments and no wires, wireless, computers or electronics involved. Do the math, and you can see that a few musicians should be able to make a pretty good living performing that way with ticket prices no higher than what millions are now paying to sit in crowds of 10,000 or so. Of course, there will be an adjustment period as the mass-production of culture and art declines, and small-scale decentralized production becomes the norm. The media moguls will try to convince us that art made by machine is superior, and their opinion shaping conglomerates will keep manufacturing superstar icons to deliver it. But cottage-industry music will be almost as hard to control as cottage-industry terrorism, and underground cooperatives of radical musicians and listeners will pop up and start making and sharing music with each other for free. As anything free is not counted in the Gross National Product, this will be terrible for the economy, and it will also distract people from all the other distractions to which we are supposed to addict ourselves. Use your brains; lose your chains!

This already exists at thousands of local music venues around the world. It doesn't pay enough to live reasonably on, which is obvious if you just look at the numbers. Even with a megastar ticket price of $300*(50 attendees), a single show barely moves the needle on living expenses once split amongst a band. You need to do perform again and again, to the point where you can't charge $300/ticket. That's basically a residency, which is common in places like Vegas for artists at the end of their career. If you tour instead, your costs go up massively.

It's interesting that you say this because I have been doing exactly this over the last few years using only the voice and body percussion. There are small groups all over the us (and world) doing vocal improvisation for free or at very low cost. It is the most quietly radical thing that I do as well as the most life affirming. I am convinced that if a critical mass of people begin to sing together, it has the power to radically change our world for the better.

Singing is our birthright. Unfortunately, I think that the music industry, for all the wonderful gems it has produced, has actually made the world a more musically impoverished place in many respects because of the way it has wrongly divided us into a small minority of musicians and a huge majority of passive listeners.

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