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Think twice before abandoning Xorg. Wayland breaks everything

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not my experience - I switched a year ago and have yet to notice anything not working. X backers rant about things all the time but realistically for most wayland just works. the example - xkill - is something that should be killed on X since it is a big security issue. there are also a number of cases where X does not work and cannot because of design issuses, but I have never encountered them either.

which is to say try it for yourself - odds it works and you won't have to worry.

I will switch soon, just need to collect all stuff and find time. Waited a bit for nvidia drivers to catch on as I want some models to run locally.

99% of the time when I'm using Linux, it's just over SSH. The rare times I've used the GUI, X has seemed really clunky. I have no idea why technically, but clearly the status quo wasn't working.

quick disclaimer before anyone starts telling their friends about x11libre; the project is associated with MAGA language and personally I don't trust it

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/40

If I were to take it several steps further, the conspiracy theorist in me says that redhat has the biggest incentive to make Wayland haters look silly. Of course that's just conjecture.

As an anarchist these dem/rep comment chains always make me feel sad. Literally everyone in there is wrong because they're so caught up in their team, and it's even worse because they're basically the same team: they're all right-wingers who can't comprehend a world that doesn't revolve around the profit of a few parasites.

Everyone feeling welcome (which is explicitly stated in that project's README) is a good thing. But that's not what DEI is. DEI is when someone gets picked over someone else solely because of their association with a particular group. That's bigotry. Bigotry is bad. Diversity and inclusion are good; bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad.

Bigotry is bad.

It's not just MAGA idiots who are against DEI just because the TV told them to. People who actually know what they're talking about are against it too. Support for DEI is limited to the left edge of the right wing. The fact that MAGAts are against it is simply a case of a broken clock being right twice a day.

> DEI is when someone gets picked over someone else solely because of their association with a particular group

That's a straw-man view of DEI

It's what I've witnessed in person AND what I take from the intended meaning of the concept. Hire/choose/promote/etc certain people over certain other people because the "other" is some stereotype you don't like. It's just rebranded Affirmative Action. It's evil bigotry that happens to make you feel good because of the words they use to describe it.

I've seen DEI used as an excuse to fire and demote people just because they were part of some demographic, to make space for the "disadvantaged" folks. They were good at their jobs, did nothing fireable. They were deemed to be "advantaged" in the same way a random Asian is assumed to be good at math. And now they're struggling to survive. That's the logical conclusion of DEI. Absolutely evil. There's no excuse for it. And that's not a right-wing view either.

What other conception of it is there that doesn't just conveniently gloss over the details of how it works in practice? What am I missing?

Back when DEI was legal, they'd ask questions about groupings like race, which would be factored into whatever school/job decision. Concrete example, Harvard's incoming class is >50% Asian-American now, but it was like 22% when admissions could see race. That was called DEI, right?

So much "I'm not an X but..." encoded into one post. So many words saying what the words say it's not saying.

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

Insinuating things about the beliefs of others is not conducive to a productive discussion.

I'm more interested in the rest of the README rant:

  This fork was necessary since toxic elements within Xorg projects, moles from BigTech, are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg, in order to destroy the project, to eliminate competition of their own products. Classic "embrace, extend, extinguish" tactics.

  This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc.

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Thanks for the talk. I tried to learn how bad X was in terms of security and it wasn't easy to find anything concrete. Took me a while to realize it was a mess.

>If X works for your use case you’re a vaccine denier

Wow, you sure are convincing! /sarcasm

If you depend on shame and straw-man to get your argument across, it shows me you lack merit. I’d continue to use X to spite people like you. And all this done in context of corps like RedHat pushing for the outing of the main X developer for the past 11(?) years isn’t helping your case either. In fact, I think I’ll stay on X for the forseable future, and convince people I know with its reliability. X11 has been around for a long time, and it works for a lot of programs.

This is not at all a productive or convincing way to make the point. There's no reason to bring up culture war issues here. Nor do you do anything to actually evidence your claims here.

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