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Unfortunately, the setup instructions for "Linux" on the homepage only consider "systemd." Of course, every GNU/Linux user — or rather, administrator — who doesn't use systemd knows how to set it up the "old" UNIX way. However, assuming that Linux equals systemd is kind of offensive to a small group of systemd avoiders (such as myself).

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Unfortunately, the road signs for "vehicles" on the streets only consider "motor vehicles". Of course, every vehicle operator — or rather, rider — who doesn’t drive a car knows how to travel them on horse carriages. However assuming that vehicles equal cars is kind of offensive to a small group of motor avoiders (such as myself).

After about a decade Linux on desktop is semi stable and semi secure thanks to Wayland and Systemd.

You can stick to fiddling your way with sysv and x11 if you like. The world has moved on.

There are still various server distros not using systemd. I ran into it recently on a system deployed on Alpine.

And for every one of these, there tens of thousands that do.

Isn't Alpine only used as a base image for containers?

No it runs well on hardware. I ran it as my primary OS for years. It actually has a few neat features that are only useful when booting into it like LBU. That was great for getting the last couple years out of my old macbook pro. The hard disk connector stopped working after the nth time I had to replace the little flex cable so I switched to running Alpine from a ram disk using LBU to handle changes to /etc.

I use wayland with sysvinit and comments like this make me cringe. He was not even talking about wayland and you managed to inject this anti-X11 tirade into the conversion anyway. X11 works great for many people and if it were not for XWayland, Wayland would be unusable.

> throwaway5833

Of course.

At work, I use the system my employer provides, with systemd and gnome.

At home, I use the one that gives me the most freedom, with sysvinit and x11.

Such is the reality of life.

If i didn't know there are some people out there who actually like systemd, I'd assume you're on IBM's payroll :)

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