I'd prefer that they weren't spending funds on using US infrastructure for their marketing (and hopefully this publicity will effect a change), but its a real stretch to make out that it in any way undermines the mission of dns4eu - namely providing a public resolver that isn't slurping up request data for their own purposes.
I suspect people pushing to host websites in the EU will default to using American DNS and email providers etc.
The real problem is lack of motivation, not lack of options and it is a lot easier for people to keep on using Cloudflare and Gmail and AWS etc.
Nothing gets done without some pragmatism.
On the other hand there are lots of good options for hosting a website or email in the EU (and even more if you are also happy to host elsewhere in Europe).
Pragmatism is one thing, zero effort is another.
Allow me to make an analogy: imagine someone switching to Linux desktop and then installing Slack or Discord because they can't be bothered to convince other people to use Matrix. Is that completely unacceptable or is it a healthy compromise and still a win overall?
It's also highly unlikely that the group of people working on that DNS resolver is the same group of people that made a website for it, as these sorts of sites tend to be outsourced to some tiny web design companies. One of my previous jobs was in one of those tiny companies and a part of my responsiblity was to maintain some of Eurotunnel's servers, so would you blame me for their decision to rebrand themselves to far less descriptive Getlink which happened around the same time?
It is irrelevant to their narrow goal, but it is very much relevant to their broader goal.
> Allow me to make an analogy: imagine someone switching to Linux desktop and then installing Slack or Discord because they can't be bothered to convince other people to use Matrix.
That is a very different situation. There are no real barriers to an organisation choosing to host its websites where ever they choose.
> It's also highly unlikely that the group of people working on that DNS resolver is the same group of people that made a website for it,
That is often true, but in this case it implies management do not understand, or are not committed to the underlying goals. It would be very easy to have insisted that all hosting is in Europe.
> One of my previous jobs was in one of those tiny companies and a part of my responsiblity was to maintain some of Eurotunnel's servers, so would you blame me for their decision to rebrand themselves to far less descriptive Getlink
Not you, but I would blame their management.
Airbus used american products and customers to get big and then built european alternatives, it just makes a ton more sense.
After the last election, they decided that it's not safe in the long term, and started to build their own infra. It'll take some time.
Given that one of the EU's aims is to be a peer to the US and China (the term I recall them using is a "multi-polar world") they should not be reliant on anyone to this extent.
Similar background, a long history of standing together (e.g. the war, marshall plans, NATO etc)
Trump is pretty unprecedented, even though some previous presidents weren't very friendly with the EU (like the "Freedom Fries" issue under George W Bush, when France opposed the invasion of Iraq - which eventually ended up based on complete lies so the French were totally right).
> Given that one of the EU's aims is to be a peer to the US and China (the term I recall them using is a "multi-polar world") they should not be reliant on anyone to this extent.
True. Europe has been too comfortable with the situation. It's also because it's hard to get everyone aligned. Politics is very nation-aligned, not EU-aligned.
There is a reference to their cookie policy but to link to it.
Honestly this "deep dive" borders on self loathing
"oh but their email is not in the EU" ok it's a fair criticism, but for some people nothing is good enough
Then we wonder why nothing goes ahead in the EU because once you do something it gets flooded with tire kickers and bikeshedders criticizing everything