Brian Wilson has died
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Even Wilson's most recent work - when he was very clearly suffering a lot - is so deeply interesting, and weird, and moving, and has a total mastery of his craft.
From 2021 - "Right Where I Belong":
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I get anxious. I get scared a lot. That's what I live with. It should get better, really, any day now - - those were my teenage years.
They said: "Go out and get a steady job." That was the worst idea! All night and day, another lonely song - - to get me through again.
In my fantasy I'm never far from home. But in reality I know where I belong.
For me, the love - that's what the music really is. I know that love is what I rеally want to share.
So I went out and got a steady a job - - so many golden years. That rhapsody to me: the music calls - - to ride the wave again.
https://youtu.be/FToNl9VyI0g?si=VEIOlTCsbYz2yy7g
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He was America. The idealism, the bizarro suburban sincerity, the descent into late-century darkness, the total mastery of the form: the ability to write a two-minute song as if it were a perfectly manicured lawn, capturing all its layered uncanniness. Melodies and harmonies that have beauty beyond language - he really did write for the entire universe. It didn't matter if his songs were to girls, or waves, or particularly quick cars.
He was a prophet of his time in the same way that William Blake was. It all feels so incredibly inevitable. I really hope he understood that he was as important as Bacharach and maybe Bach - though I don't get the sense, as much as one can from the outside, as a fan, that he'd particularly care. He had too much love for his work.
Surf's up, I guess. Thank you very much for it all, Brian, if you're reading this. Your work makes me believe that you could.
I often thought that Brian Wilson and David Lynch were like mirror images of each other and now they're both gone
for those two, you should celebrate with a cup of coffee from a diner and a coca-cola from the drive-in
Why not a nice cold Heineken?
Pabst. Blue. Ribbon.
There is something I think undeniably innocent about the time in the U.S. when The Beach Boys were on top of their game. Never mind Milner from American Graffiti "I don't like that surfin' shit. Rock and roll's been going down hill ever since Buddy Holly died."
They were a part of an America I don't even recognize anymore. Thank god those of us old enough got at least a glimpse of that time. And I suppose to the degree Brian captured it in The Beach Boys music, maybe we can hold on to the memory of it at least.
And I think that's what's toughest. I'm seeing the luminaries of a better time winking out one by one.
Lest I sound too down, I am always hopeful though for the generations that are coming up being able to make a brighter future for themselves.
But positively, and optimistically, I do think things are passed on, even if we don't quite understand how.
From Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize acceptance speech:
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"I saw [Buddy Holly] only but once, and that was a few days before he was gone. I had to travel a hundred miles to get to see him play, and I wasn’t disappointed.
"He was powerful and electrifying and had a commanding presence. I was only six feet away. He was mesmerizing.
I watched his face, his hands, the way he tapped his foot, his big black glasses, the eyes behind the glasses, the way he held his guitar, the way he stood, his neat suit. Everything about him. He looked older than twenty-two.
Something about him seemed permanent, and he filled me with conviction.
Then, out of the blue, the most uncanny thing happened. He looked me right straight dead in the eye, and he transmitted something.
Something I didn’t know what. And it gave me the chills.
I think it was a day or two after that that his plane went down."
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Though Dylan loves to self-mythologize, if I'm going to believe anybody alive about how a baton, or muse, or torch, or access to transcendent beauty might be passed on, I'd choose to believe him. Especially given the context in which he implied this unusually (for him) sincere thing: "take this and run with it."
Even reduced to something as material and measurable as 'influence', I think that's worth a great deal of optimism. We won't get another Brian Wilson. That's very, very sad. But his work remains - even if his time doesn't. Bob was of another time to Buddy. There will always be young people.
Yeah, it's easy to shoot holes in "innocent time" but god knows, just in terms of the complexity of what you have to know just to function in society — I am sure it is somehow measurably more complex now then it was then.
So maybe I should have said a simpler time.
For example - something as simple as going to a grocery shop during the specific hours in which you know it is open, and saying hello to the person you know works that shift, and exchanging metal circles and numbered paper for produce: this process requires significantly less abstract thought - and abstraction of oneself from society - when compared to using a self-checkout and Apple Pay (let alone a delivery app).
That tech all came in before I was 18, so I don't think it's an age thing - I think it's just weird, and complex, and unnatural for the animal brain if one's economic and social dealings don't primarily involve other animals. I don't like living in a vending machine!
I didn't want to shoot holes in any way, to be clear. Innocence is a very reasonable synonym, now that I understand what you mean (without sounding too luddite / romanticising).
I used ‘bizarro’ to point towards both the surreal inverted-ness, but also to reference the Superman character, to try and link that part of the sentence to 1950’s USA, and Wilson’s childhood.
To me (it’s a subjective experience, of course) there are compositional aspects that create this feeling. In the early hits, for example, there’s an astounding lack of low-frequency sounds (bass guitar, kick drum mixed low, etc). It’s very much mixed for tinny radio - partly a product of the time, but also very much due to his arrangements. As if to say: ‘no darkness here’.
And equally (though I don’t think Brian was writing lyrics, but an arrangement of the sounds they create is enough for me) lyrically, even the early stuff is batshit weird:
“When some loud braggart tries to put me down, and says his school is great, I tell him right away: What’s the matter buddy? Ain’t you heard of my school?”
“A bushy bushy blonde hairdo”
Etc. I think the early work goes beyond ‘Americana’ into something weirder, but non-cynical. Very fever dream technicolor, and I think anticipates a lot of the work ‘darker’ Americana artists, like Lynch, who another commenter referenced, would later do.
Another commenter mentioned that Wilson’s father was, by many accounts, incredibly, incredibly cruel, and I think that’s perhaps not irrelevant to the uncanniness of Wilson’s work. Maybe there was a conscious choice to write only about the beautiful parts of his milieu, but that’s impossible to know.
A song like “In My Room” is terrifyingly beautiful / uncannily sincere in its optimism, given what we know about Wilson’s childhood. A lot of people, especially artists later in the century would, I think, find its hopefulness bizarre. And very moving.
That’s a very long version of what I was trying to say, or point towards - the usual cliches about the impossibility of writing about music apply!
RIP.
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I suspect it is precisely because the song is very odd in many ways that it is so interesting
I do think Mike contributed over the years, possibly more in the early days just through enthusiasm and perhaps helping to focus. I think he was probably more willing to go along with some corny showbiz stuff than Brian was, and being older than the others, that probably carried enough weight to get the others to go along (again, in the early days).
I think being family was probably helpful. He could sympathize enough and support the others dealing with Murray in the early days, but was enough of an 'outsider' that he wasn't going to be bullied by Murray like the sons were.
Lyrically, I think he tries, and has had some moments of good or great lyrics. His push towards the spiritual led us to songs like 'All This Is That', for example (based on readings stemming from time with Maharishi). I wonder how much of the initial push towards the Maharishi was maybe riding the Beatles' coattails, but he seems to have stuck with it more than many over the years. As with many folks who get a lot of sudden fame/success, he was probably searching for deeper answers, and seems to have found some.
Personality wise, based on enough interviews, he does seem to come across as a bit of an arrogant know-it-all, and that rubs me the wrong way. But... he contributed a lot to early success, has had some of his own good songs, and has kept the music alive touring longer than many expected.
Interesting comparison about production/songcraft. Listen to his solo version of 'daybreak over the ocean', then listen to the 'Beach Boys' production version from That's Why God Made the Radio album. Assuming Brian had some production hand in the latter (along with others in the studio), but the BB one is simply a better listening experience, even though it's basically the same song. So even when Mike did something good, the "group" made it better.
Might as well keep it going: Any thoughts on Al? I assume he always felt like a bit of an outsider because he was the only non-family member
He's always struck me as just a basic down to earth guy. That may be in comparison to the rest of the group members and their antics.
His voice has remained remarkably strong and good. He was by far the best voice when I saw him on Brian's tour in 2016, and was good (on the couple songs he got?) on the 2012 tour. I don't think his solo songwriting is all that great, but he focuses on what he does and does it well.
I suspect he's got some good behind the scenes stories that would break a lot of myths, and I also suspect he'll never tell all.
Both have their own thing going on the side, including The Smile together which is great. But Radiohead where they had Ed, Phil and Colin critiquing and improving their output is a different level of polish.
So much musical talent at the time, crazy to think about
Truly a fantastic album.
heh, I always liked this album as a kid cause mom would play the record a lot. It was my fave do math homework background music. That and Pink Floyd (Echoes).
As a kid: "I'm Waiting For The Day" was a great song cause it was lively and bouncy.
But as an adult: "Let's Go Away For Awhile" is more captivating.
A little something there for everyone I tell you hwhat.
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I am not the biggest fan of Wilsons stuff but you could never accuse him of just phoning it in.
"Brian Wilson is the Beach Boys. He is the band. We're his fucking messengers. He is all of it. Period. We're nothing. He's everything." [0]
It was just a random thought I had this morning, related to how his brothers and father are depicted in Love and Mercy.
For all their abilities and talent, I think Dennis had it right. Brian was the Beach Boys. RIP.
(Not to take anything away from Brian's actual genius!)
Also, give a listen to Smile! - not Smiley Smile, or The Smile Sessions, but the 2004 recreation. It's quite mindblowing. If you close your eyes you can hear it as a true symphony.
Surfside Motel:
"And I've been in this town so long that I'm back in the city...
And don't you know it was the government stopped the Beach Boys from releasing 'Smile'...." [1]
the clever timpani line in this track will sound familiar to anyone who has ever heard Pet Sounds :) I thought it was a very appropriate appropriation of a famous Brian Wilson track.
https://willyrodriguez.bandcamp.com/track/rosemary
(for anyone listening who is not versed in Pet Sounds, it's the famous drum line from "I'm Waiting For the Day")
What a wild thing to get a 9 year old kid. Music. Both albums formed who I am today musically. When YouTube came around I was able to find out that Brian often was the one singing the amazing falsetto parts.
"I get around / From town to town / I'm a real cool head / I'm making real good bread"
On the Ed Sullivan show on bass: https://youtu.be/ruKCw797JM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NADx3-qRxek
and this beautiful film, very touchingly explores his life with the always-excellent Paul Dano.
RIP to a real one.
"T.A.M.I. Show is a 1964 concert film released by American International Pictures.[1] It includes performances by numerous popular rock and roll and R&B musicians from the United States and England. The concert was held at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium on October 28 and 29, 1964. Free tickets were distributed to local high school students. The acronym "T.A.M.I." was used inconsistently in the show's publicity to mean both "Teenage Awards Music International" and "Teen Age Music International"."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.A.M.I._Show
It's stacked with amazing performers, most at the beginning of their careers, including a young Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wWBV3QCbGE&list=PLhinduWcIK...
People ask who the current version of this kind of genius is for pop music, and between the one man band element, turns as a composer, and general weirdness and reclusiveness, Trent Reznor is probably who comes to mind for me, but even his heyday was 30 years ago. I have no idea who in their 20s might have this kind of impact. Let us appreciate these people while we can.
Also, second time I’ve mentioned Reznor in context on HN today. Weird.
Apologies for the hijack. RIP Brian.
What a genius to be able to pull that song off.
https://music.apple.com/us/album/sweet-mountain/1102333773?i...
I also suspect discoverability is a lot more of a challenge now too given the saturation of content out there and the small market. I've discovered some excellent bands (for my musical tastes of course, which are Rock & Metal) that I can't believe aren't bigger. These Four Walls and Thousand Needles In Red come to mind. Like Thieves is pretty decent too, nice music to put in the background on a drive through the canyon or while working. All of those bands are on Bandcamp btw.
However, it has to be argued: Taylor hardly breaks through genres to create entirely new ones, as Brian Wilson or Sly Stone did.
Taylor is a ‘safe’ songwriter whose market is intolerant of exceeding the limits of her chosen genre - Brian and Sly, however, can be perceived as being far more progressive as artists, willing not only to break the conformity of their extant music market, but to excel at creating entire new genres on their own.
What is Taylors “Pet Songs”?
Taylor Swift is the least likely of the three to have created her own genre of music outside market expectations. While she’s undeniably innovative, her contributions largely refine and personalize existing genres (country, pop, indie-folk) rather than inventing entirely new ones.
Both Wilson and Stone created groundbreaking sounds—Wilson with orchestral pop and Stone with funk/psychedelic soul—that were more radical departures from their era’s commercial norms.
Between Wilson and Stone, Stone’s creation of funk and his influence across multiple genres (funk, soul, rock, hip-hop) arguably had a broader impact, but Swift’s work, while transformative, operates more within established frameworks.
Case in point: I recently listened to "Tracks and Traces", a compilation of things Brian Eno did with Harmonia in 1976.
It IS "post-rock". You could slip some tracks from that album onto Mogwai's albums from the 2000s, and you would hardly notice something is amiss. And you know it wasn't a direct influence, because the recordings were only released 30 years later.
https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1ew4iqo/my...
It's a good thing that her mic is always off in concert (apparently she's been using the same "live" soundtrack for a while at her concerts).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8rMNMURShM
I just can't believe someone that tone deaf could write good music.
Ben is a master writer of story-driven songs, with a very wide range and top-notch musicianship. There is definitely a similarity.
Perhaps you're not familiar with his full catalog?
That said, they are leagues apart. It's like claiming Eric Clapton is as good as a guitarist in some shitty bar band.
Perhaps you're not familiar with who Brian was and what he's done.
Seriously though, it's often fraught with peril to try to compare two artists directly, especially across time, styles, and genres. For me, I just try to weigh how much enjoyment their respective catalogs have given me, and I've enjoyed the hell out of both Ben Folds and Beach Boys records. It's all good.
Maybe this opinion is a little dated - Burial started a couple of decades ago now - I'm sure there's someone smart and younger capturing the sonics of our current moment accurately. But Burial is a truly great composer.
I really despise the (unintentional, totally forgivable) YouTube-comment-vibe of "When these giants pass away who replaces them? Who are the Brian Wilsons of today?" - it's very "Like this comment if you like REAL music, not [young pop star]."
It takes decades and decades to understand who captured a time period accurately, and whose work anticipated and influenced the art that was to come. Burial is probably the wrong answer!
It takes so much time for an artist to become revered as a "giant". It requires deep historical understanding and deep critique. There is plenty of very beautiful music being made. Naturally none of it sounds like Brian Wilson's - it isn't Brian Wilson's.
I don't think anyone wants to see Burial inducted into the "Rock n Roll Hall of Fame" at this time, or playing the Sunday Afternoon Legends slot at Glastonbury. Ditto for (most of) the other names mentioned in response to GP.
Innovative and masterful craft rarely makes itself immediately apparent to its audience - it's not an instant-gratification commodity - the audience must also work to reveal it. Takes time!
Sufjan Stevens comes into mind for me as a songwriting workhorse with a wide array of styles but with a central theme, and amazing poetry / lyricism.
She enjoyed some widespread success during her short life, but since her death, the style of music she helped pioneer has exploded in popularity. The extremely popular "brat" album from last year contained both explicit celebration of her name and homage to her style.
But she's dead now. Her music still inspires me.
He's dead now, too. His music will continue to inspire me.
A. G. Cook, Hannah Diamond, QT...
I'm not super close to that genre so I wouldn't dare hazard a guess who that might be.
Sufjan Stevens
Grew up listening to them.
RIP
In the 1960s, California high schools were enlightened enough to play pop music in their cafeterias. Normal pop drivel, while all the jaded teenagers were laughing and talking. One day, “Good Vibrations” starting playing, just after it was released. And I’ve been told everything in the cafeteria just stopped…all these teenagers stopped talking, and just listened. It was that significant a new sound…
Brian Wilson, visionary creative spirit for the Beach Boys, dies aged 82 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44249510 - June 2025