Mushrooms communicate with each other using up to 50 'words', scientist claims (2022)
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Metabolic byproducts, chemical gradients, and behavioral patterns automatically transmit information. Physical proximity creates mandatory information channels.
Environmental sharing makes communication inevitable, not optional.
And given that the organism under scrutiny is fungi - which contains many sprouting heads of the same underlying organism - one would have to have to have no familiarity with life at all to be surprised by intra-organism communication.
> The research, published in Royal Society Open Science, found that these spikes often clustered into trains of activity, resembling vocabularies of up to 50 words, and that the distribution of these “fungal word lengths” closely matched those of human languages.
I'll be the one to admit I am surprised by this (if true), even with the understanding that any motion or byproduct whatsoever might be communicative.
The thought that an organism is totally isolated from its environment, itself and other organisms is absurd, sure - but no one said that!
Classic British understatement.
>Their findings, verified with neural data of blowflies reacting to changes in visual signals, may have universal applications. "It's a simple mechanism," Nemenman says. "If a system has some hidden variable, and many units, such as 40 or 50 neurons, are adapted and responding to the variable, then Zipf's law will kick in."
That said, given that multicellular life is just a mashup of single cell life with various bits kept because they were useful, it might be useful to investigate if these fungal structures were adapted as neurons.
> Mushrooms are more closely related to animals than plants, said Matt Kasson, an associate professor of mycology at West Virginia University.
Apparently we share about 50% of our DNA.
This feels like the "we share 50% of our genes with bananas" factoid.
Considering humans have 3.1 billion base pairs and the most fungi have 30-300 million, I'm not sure how this could be true without some major caveats. Admittedly, a lot of our DNA is considered "junk" - though whether it all is or not is a question.
(the banana one is that they're talking specifically about protein coding genes which makes up about 2% of our DNA)
The branch that has evolved towards animals has developed multi-cellularity while retaining their ancestral lifestyle of eating other living beings, which is a lifestyle that requires mobility.
The branch that has evolved towards fungi has adapted to a terrestrial life, unlike the branch that has evolved towards animals in the oceans.
To avoid desiccation on land, the fungi have developed a chitinous cell wall. This has solved the desiccation problem, but this wall has made the fungal cells immobile. So they had to change their lifestyle from the ancestral lifestyle of the eukaryotes to a lifestyle similar to that of the heterotrophic bacteria, i.e. fungi do not eat food by engulfing it, like animals, but they grow into food, by secreting enzymes that break the food into small molecules, which can be then absorbed by the fungal cells.
While there exists only a single group of living beings like the animals, which are both multicellular and mobile, there are several groups like the fungi, besides the true fungi. All such fungous organisms have immobile cells with cell walls, so if they are multicellular they must grow into food in the form of a branched network, in order to maximize the surface of contact between them and food.
The other groups of living beings that look like fungi, but which are not true fungi, are not closely related to animals. The most important of those groups is related to the brown algae, but there is even a group of bacteria that look like fungi, the actinomycetes. Besides the other living beings that feed like fungi, so they look like mycelia (branched networks), there are even more groups of living beings that do not feed like fungi, so most of the time they do not look like fungi, but which are terrestrial like fungi, so they must use the same method of spore dispersion by wind, so they grow mushroom-like bodies for the launch of spores, e.g. the slime molds.
Some discussion on the paper at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30931998
This also makes me wonder about the idea of attempting to expand on this research by artificially stimulating a fungal colony with the various “words” and seeing if different effects can be produced.
Growers of organic food, rather than the dominant chemical farmers you buy your food from, are very aware of the complex nature of communication of the biology beneath our feet.
In 100 years, our descendants will be horrified.
I think it mistakenly puts forward an impression of intention, awareness, interpretation, conscious comprehension, agency, which are not there. And worse, I think some science communicators deliberately fan the flames of those associations. It might be that it's fair to call this communication and draw the line at language, but even communication here means something like blind signal transmission capable of prompting an automatic biological reflex somewhere else.
You don’t need consciousness or phenomena or quailia to have language. Heck, every computer understands some sort of language. ChatGPT is capable of conversing in English better than anyone in this room, and it doesn’t need consciousness or any of that stuff to do it. Language is neither unique nor special.
> Morse code is language, two’s complement is language
Wrong on both points. They're encoding methods. The alphabet is not language, either.
> to think otherwise is incredibly small minded.
Ad hominem.
There are multiple definitions of language, not one. As another commenter pointed out, if you make the definition broad enough it loses usefulness.
> it’s anything that can have a grammar,
"Can" have a grammar is not restricting. "Does" is the correct verb, and that hasn't been proved.
> All you need is something that can form a sentence and something that can parse it and the thing going on between them is language.
OK, you've actually drawn out an important point. CAN the fungi form a sentence?
I can encode the 2nd sentence in "War and Peace" into polypeptides, but the polypeptides are still just an encoding of the language I picked (English? Russian?), and it doesn't make exchange of polypeptides by any other organism (even grad students!) a linguistic exercise.
Now if your definition of language is something arrogant like “a system of communication where combinations of tokens are given semantic meaning that correspond with conscious states and phenomena” then I would say that is incredibly limiting and ignores the preponderance of language all around you both in nature and technology. If someone builds a computer that can parse x86 assembly, it doesn’t cease to be parsing language if I stipulate that humans never existed and this computer just happens to exist. The tree still falls in the forest even if there is no human consciousness there to perceive it and the same goes for language. If it is encoded by something and decoded by something else fairly consistently (fuzzy is fine if the communication is still generally effective) then you have language.
More importantly the existence of unconscious systems that can generate and parse sentences in arbitrary languages means consciousness isn’t very relevant or necessary when analyzing language and perhaps focusing on it too much actually gets in the way of meaningful research and discovery.
Truly random tappings on a tree are not language, but if a type of bird signals that predators are nearby by striking a tree with their beak with consistent rules that are understood by other birds or creatures, then you have language. But you would have us not study these things because you think they are beneath us. I would instead say we are nothing special, and thus everything is special, or at least historically we always miss out on scientific insight when we arrogantly assume humans have X but other life forms do not.
Nobody really knows what consciousness is. Also, who's arguing language requires conscisouness?
> then you have language
No, you have communication. Language requires grammar and vocabulary.
> But you would have us not study these things because you think they are beneath us
Where is all this stuff even coming from?
Which OP demonstrates through a tokenized vocabulary
words
then.
2027: subleq implemented on funghi, plus eforth.