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> These GPTs are tailored versions of ChatGPT created by community members with custom instructions and data.

A bit clickbaity in my opinion.

nah, they are clear about that:

> The page, prominently linked from the sidebar in the ChatGPT interface

What/who are you accusing of being clickbaity?

Tangential, seems 8 of top 20 apps for certain models are LLM girlfriends.

https://openrouter.ai/mistralai/mistral-small-24b-instruct-2...

I think the article is better without the pearl clutching of how could our righteous and holy OpenAI promote such sinful language— like yeah this is a hilarious blunder for them but the incel world itself the far more interesting part. Even the author spends more time talking about incels after presumably falling down the inevitable research rabbit hole than the fact it is the #6 lifestyle AI or whatever. The actual bot uses so much in-group language that anyone not already in the world isn't going to get sucked in. I have yearned to be able to put their brains under a microscope and having an AI convincingly mimic someone deep into inceldom I can actually talk to directly is probably the closest I'll ever get.

If you haven't fallen down the rabbit hole you're missing out. The incel world is genuinely fascinating— they really push the boundary of just how disconnected from reality a subculture can get without the gravity of just how stupid it all sounds causing it to collapse in on itself. There's a group of them that really believed that Donald Trump was going to create a government mandated girlfriend program.

I am raising two kids and online extremist echo chambers are a concern. An older relative has fallen for unadulterated Russian state propaganda and it is sad to see how people's beliefs can be manipulated to the point when you don't know whether to laugh or cry.

The community is basically self-selecting for people who are much less likely to meet up with other people face to face, and even when they do they won't say these memes out loud because it would be obviously self-marginalizing.

> I think the article is better without the pearl clutching of how could our righteous and holy OpenAI promote such sinful language—

Where did you get the impression the author of this post viewed OpenAI as anything like that? I thought she came across as skeptical and/or unapproving of them.

> like yeah this is a hilarious blunder for them but the incel world itself the far more interesting part. Even the author spends more time talking about incels after presumably falling down the inevitable research rabbit hole than the fact it is the #6 lifestyle AI or whatever

She clearly found it interesting too--why this "Even the author" bit? Are you upset that she mis-titled her post in your opinion? I think it's worth noting that this bot is currently as popular as it is, and that OpenAI is fraturing it as such.

It's kind of interesting to think about, obviously a mandated girlfriend won't happen but Musk has already said people arnt having enough kids and if we keep deporting everyone and denying new entries we'll have a population crises, I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans start pushing for a big tax on the child free/single or something

I'm curious what your viewpoint is here. Is human extinction a bad thing? And if not, do you care if it's your own descendants thriving, versus the descendants of an immigrant?

My viewpoint is that a population collapse is very bad for society, can already see it beginning to happen in places like South Korea. I don't see how I could possibly retire with any comfort if Noone is having kids and we also don't accept immigrants. Human extinction is a bad thing to happen for the people alive when it's happening, philosophically in the grand scheme of things I think life would go on. I don't plan on having descendants at all and I am against the current mass deportations, especially the way it is currently being carried out.

The retirement problem isn't solvable the way it is presented right now because in most countries it requires 2-5 working people per retiree to work properly, which implies infinite growth, it has to die at some point, the earliest will be the easiest to handle

Why does that require growth? If a population is at replacement level and keeps a uniform population pyramid, things are stable as long as the retirement age is set at the last 15% of life-expectancy or so (to account for labor force non-participation).

Replacement level isn't enough to sustain the lifestyle we had since then end of ww2, that's why the quality of service in most European countries are going down while taxes, retirement age, &c. are going up

It does have to be solved but shocking the system as hard as you can in one generation is probably not the way to do it. At this point we're basically saying that we hope robotics takes care of it because if not all the old people can just starve on the street. It would also be better if the people doing the changes actually had a comprehensible plan beyond just doing it and seeing what happens. You can't cut public health spending (but leave the current system where births cost years of salary) and kick out all the immigrants and cut social security in one generation

Starving on the street (or really, starving in their homes) might be more humane than the current long term care industrial complex. Just sayin'.

Ah yes, more fodder for justification of increased safety protocols in genAI.

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