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The point about trying to stick with a single language build tooling really cannot be stressed enough. It is what prompted me to write a simplified version of Bazel, a generic "target determinator" with caching capabilities if you will. I call it "Grog", the monorepo build tool for the grug-brained developer.

https://grog.build/why-grog/

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I am excited to learn of this project. I started working on something quite similar recently. It's a surprisingly unaddressed niche.

One thing your tool appears to be missing (IMO) is execution sandboxing. This is useful, as you likely know, for avoiding undeclared dependencies and for avoiding dirty builds due to actions polluting the source directory, among other things. I was playing around with allowing configurable sandboxing, with symlink forest and docker as two intial options.

I fully agree. I was also thinking about docker or symlinks, but it seemed hard to design the API without any actual user feedback. Pants environments [0] look interesting.

Very cool that you are also recognizing this issue and working on it. I sent you an email in case you want to exchange further.

[0] https://www.pantsbuild.org/stable/docs/introduction/welcome-...

If a single language is an option you are a small project that is not facing the problems people on large projects are facing. A monorepo will be easy for you without read the article and the lessons learned.

Come back when you have millions of lines of code, written over decades by hundreds (or thousands) of full time developers.

What a weird take, "millions of lines of code, written over decades" applies to quite many C (or C++) codebases where using a high-level language is not a possibility (and companies that do have such codebases are pretty conservative and don't even talk about Rust no matter how great fit it would be).

In every case I've seen the vast majority might be C, but there are other other languages hidden in there that are hard to find. Many companies would use more languages if it wasn't such a pain. Rust for example would be really nice to use in new code, if only they can figure out how to mix it in.

There is a space between the two types of repositories you are describing. One where you just have enough tools/langs that a single-language setup does not cut it for you anymore, but investing all that effort into Bazel does not seem worth it yet. That is the gap that Grog is meant to fill.

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