They’re not actually talking casually, as OpenAI and Anthropic run a tight ship around PR. If either of these two say something the PR team doesn’t like it gets edited out.

Trenton and Sholto are very much “talking their book”. They’re doing it well, but it’s highly filtered and partial chat.

source: know a podcast episode which got removed because an OpenAI employee used “black box” to refer to NNs.