Mozilla is more occupied this days paying multi milionary bonus to its executives and begging users for money they waste on useless projects.
Mozilla must die, so Firefox can live.
Mozilla must die, so Firefox can live.
https://www.theverge.com/news/660548/firefox-google-search-r...
Google should be split into several business units [1], should be forced to give up Chrome [2], and should be forced to invest several billion of its war chest into competitors.
That's what the DOJ would do if it still had balls.
The fact that there's no money in a product like Firefox is insane. It's absolutely bonkers. There is so much value in it, yet everybody's favorite mega monopoly is pouring value into commoditizing everything to keep eyeballs and attention and dollars and a taxation regime the size of a medium-sized country in its gravitational singularity.
Google is an invasive species in every market. We need the EU/DOJ/BRICS equivalent of Chicxulub-level regulation to end its throat-grip predation on everyone.
[1] Six "Baby Bells", or "Tiny Googs": Search, Android, Deepmind, Cloud, YouTube, Ads. Shuffle everything else into another bin or spin it off independently. Waymo, etc.
[2] You could put Google with the Ads business as there is (1) no synergy between Chrome<->Android<->Search anymore, and (2) if Ads fucks it up, it doesn't kill the broader browser market or web ecosystem.
Sovereignty of your country's smaller businesses over monopolies, and sovereignty over data and data privacy is paramount.
Every country should be trying to tear Google apart. It isn't just too big, it's a black hole that is eviscerating competition.
The US, Canada, all of the members of the EU, India, and even our geopolitical rivals should be trying to regulate and/or break up Google.
I guess that might threaten their tie-up with the world's biggest adtech company which is why they keep it at arm's length, but that's just slow death by strangulation.
What do you mean? There's a huge amount of money, via getting paid to route people to a search engine.
https://daringfireball.net/2025/04/is_chrome_even_a_sellable...
As someone who grew up on Netscape Navigator, the current situation gives me flashback to how Netscape had to die so Mozilla could be born...
> This includes major growth in our Boards, with 40% new Board members since we began our efforts to evolve and grow back in 2022. We’ve also been bringing in new executive talent, including a new MoFo Executive Director and a Managing Partner for Mozilla Ventures. By the end of the year, we hope to have new, permanent CEOs for both MoCo and Mozilla.ai... With these changes, Mitchell Baker ends her tenure as Chair and a member of Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation boards.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growt...
Note that Mozilla Corporations, Mozilla Ventures, and Mozilla.ai mentioned in the articles are all subsidiaries of Mozilla Foundation. If there are issues with the subsidaries' leadership, they could be easily removed by the foundation. If there are issue with Mozilla foundation's leadership then, according to the bylaws, it's not possible for the foundation's board to be removed unless they self remove.
Section 3.3 Election Of Directors, Term. All directors of the Foundation shall be elected annually by the Board of Directors and shall hold office until their respective successors are elected and have qualified, or until their death, resignation or removal.
Section 3.5 Removal. Any director may be removed from office, with or without cause, by the vote of a majority of the other directors then in office.
https://static.mozilla.com/foundation/documents/mf-bylaws.pd...
The board of directors elects themselves? That is dumb
To help highlight where there are changes and where there is continuity at the top level, here's a table of who was the MoCo CEO, MoCo and MoFo Board Chairs, MoFO President, and MoFo ED over time for the last ten years.
Ousted doesn't equate to making some changes then walking away in my mind. It doesn't sound like she was in-amicably forced out over results or the like.
I remember her expanding the number of positions on the board (and the often discussed compensation) not too long (relatively) before they had some rounds of firings. I remember being confused why one or both of the ones that joined said board(it's been a while) seemed...completely unrelated to both Mozilla or it's field of expertise or so.
Sadly Vivaldi is also dependent on Chromium, and will also have to lose Manifest v2 support when that time comes.
What is changing is what Chromium will maintain, what Vivaldi decides to continue supporting is their own choice. My guess is it will be more random crap as well, but not because Chromium is/isn't supporting those things.
I follow Ladybird and appreciate their work. Especially implementing everything from standards, fixing standards and keeping it easy to follow the standards in code (and I'm proud Andreas is Swedish too).
But for something with the surface area of "everything you can do with a computer and it's uncle" a memory safe language feels like the right choice.
Just a knee-jerk opinion since I'm not a browser dev and existing sandboxing seems to work well enough, but an opinion nonetheless.
I think in swift like C# and Microsoft. Yeah, you can and I do run a lot of C# code in other platforms. But if you really wanna use everything it has to offer, it needs to be in windows, at least in the development stages.
The day that happens, the only thing we are left with is Chrome..
Ugh. This sounds so horrible, but this is probably the truest statement on this entire page.
My question to the FOSS community is why Firefox is not used to build more independent browsers the way Chrome is? While I stand fast on the ground that Google wants to monopolize our web experience, it really seems like the community at large is just...letting it happen. The only strong contender that I've seen built from FF is Iceweasel/cat which works fine for my needs, but is definitely not winning any popularity contests despite actively knocking out those non-free parts of FF.
Ease of integration. It's impossible to integrate Firefox compared to chromium. Unless this is solved, Firefox will die. The hope is new engines like Servo (maybe ladybird), where they are actually putting time and resources to make it easy to integrate. I'll never switch to chromiumia, but as soon as one of those new engines is mature enough, I'm definitely dropping Firefox.
I actually looked into this. Say you consider yourself as part of the FOSS community, and want to build a new browser, and you start to look for your options. The only things readily available as libraries are webkit (currently owned and open sourced by Apple) and webkit-gtk (based on the former). Apple is like Apple and doesn't really want you to use their open source lib, so even though webkit-gtk team made it happen anyway, good luck if you want to do it yourself. If you decide to just use webkit-gtk, you've made a decision similar to lots of other members of the FOSS community in this area (luakit, the Rust webview crate, etc.). Another option is Qt WebEngine. It's based on Chromium. It's part of the Qt ecosystem and though I think you can use it as a standalone library, carving it out still requires some engineering. So these are the options that are available as libraries. And where are the Firefox ones? Servo makes it clear at the beginning of The Servo Book that it isn't available as a library yet. And Gecko? Firefox source doesn't even include a directory named gecko. It's so tightly coupled with the other parts that you'll need a lot of engineering to carve it out. And this is in contrast to Blink, the engine of Chromium, which is nicely placed in its own directory, having its own webpage with some learning resources.
Libre wolf "about us" page, dont even have the developers real name, only their online handle.
The closest of a "professional" port of firefox is pretty much Zen Browser.
Is what I been using, alternatin with Brave Browser.
They should have through about that before going all political in their positions as an organization. It was easy with the cushion of google and federal goverment money under them (impressive how easy is to do "charity" and activism with other people money).
Now I wanna see if they will put their wallets where their mouth is, and apparently, they will not.
Every time I receive a e-mail from mozilla fundation asking for 10 bucks to fund their precious inclusivity program that have nothing to do with firefox, because they lost goverment funds, I just laught and think they should ask for a loan from their previous CEO, since she receive 7 mi in one year. I just delete the e-mail after that.
It’s getting harder and harder to find examples of this non-profit structure in tech that actually serve the software they claim to.
OpenAI is structured the same way, so they can sell access to their models. At least until it switches to being entirely for-profit, if that is allowed to happen.
[0]: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/novo-nordisks-unique-structur...
On the other hand it is a mail client and it does exactly what it is supposed to do for years on end. And I believe it is the best mail client too.
Unlike Firefox, donations are used to fund development.
[0]: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/10/thunderbird-annual-repo...
[1]: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving...
It's not long until Brave won't be able to support Manifest V2 as Google has every interest to kill it completely.
That's true but not that big of a deal in their case. The built-in ad blocker works quite well and removes the need to run uBlock Origin.
Again, I advise against trusting anything Chromium-based.
Also, you apparently haven't heard of uBlock Origin's Medium Mode. Brave can't even touch that. There's more than just advertising to worry about on the web.
For a while Brave is going to be my stop gap browser. Hopping that Ladybird can soon replace it.
For all its flaws, Brave still annoys me less than Mozilla assh*les.
I also tried Zen Browser... lovely, but is pretty much Mozilla with a bunch of addons. The problem is, is not clear how much of the invasive Mozilla telemetry they left on their code base. Unfourtunally, any browser that orginates from mozilla bullshit, for now, I kind consider fruit of a posionous tree.