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He seem to not realize the damage yet

i think he does, but chooses to not complain. according to:

> Upset stomaches. One early meeting every two weeks doesn't sound too bad. The worst problem is that it can leave me with an upset stomach that can last for days. I'm still working fine, it's just uncomfortable. I don't know if other people suffer this or why it happens. Maybe it's just the extra coffee.

There should be a mutual understanding of expected hours for any jobs, and compensation and respect for timezones and work life and health balances. your body needs sleep, feeling tired when you try to wakeup, is your body telling you to not wakeup yet...

but if he volunteered that its okay with em, fine.. but hope he does not expect others to have the 'suck it up' mentality

edit: formating

Right, this kind of job can improve, and should improve. But right now there's talk of ending remote work entirely, without considering that people have been making the effort for years, hence sharing an anecdote. The bigger point is that remote workers are more accommodating than is assumed, and my anecdote is an example of that (even if it is too much).

One other factor I'm curious what people think: If you were offered 7-figures USD to do these kind of hours from anywhere in the world, would that make a difference?

> If you were offered 7-figures USD to do these kind of hours from anywhere in the world, would that make a difference?

Depends, if your work schedule leaves you so drained that it leads to extreme burnout and eventual depression, along with a string of health issues, then it doesn't matter how much money you make, because spending it won't bring you the joy back, and you may fall into a shopping addiction in order to keep you stimulated. Sometimes I think of telling my boss that I don't want a raise, I want less hours at the same rate.

> Sometimes I think of telling my boss that I don't want a raise, I want less hours at the same rate.

tell em! i feel a lot of folks feel obligated to burning themselves out to justify their newly gotten raise.. then they get burned out and are functionless at work - or worse, making constant mistakes.

removing artificial stress from the workplace can be very powerful; valuing employees wellbeing crucial (but it involves caring, paying people, and a healthy work-life balance) - to me this means less work hours and keeping the pay consistent, plus removal of commutes (especially if the job is computer related enabling somebody to click buttons on a website so the end-user never has to leave their home couch).

happier healthier employees means they can focus more and care about what theyre doing.... otherwise, be a zombie i guess

the issue is many companies don't value people who "work less"

Yes. You are also probably doing interesting work.

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