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You weren't cherry picking but the search query you used would lead to issue reports.

HP, Dell and Lenovo also sell Linux laptops on which Linux runs well.

I sympathize with the more limited availability and budget restrictions, but comparisons must be fair: compare a preinstalled Windows and a preinstalled linux, or at least a linux installed on hardware whose manufacturer bothered to work on Linux support.

When the manufacturer did their homework, Linux doesn't have the issues listed earlier. I've seen several laptops of these three brands work flawlessly on Linux and it's been like this for a decade.

I certainly choose my laptops with Linux on mind and I know just picking random models would probably lead me to little issues here and there, and I don't want to deal with this. Although I have installed Linux on random laptops for other people and fortunately haven't run into issues.

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As a buyer, how am I supposed to know which manufacturer did their homework and on which laptops?

> it's been like this for a decade

Again, depends on the definition of "flawlessly". Afaik, support for hardware accelerated videoplayback on browsers was broken across the board only three years ago.

> As a buyer, how am I supposed to know which manufacturer did their homework and on which laptops?

You first option is to buy a laptop with linux preinstalled from one of the many manufacturers that provides this. This requires no particular knowledge or time. Admittedly, this may lead you to more expensive options, entry grade laptops won't be an option.

Your second best bet is to read tech reviews. Admittedly this requires time and knowledge, but often enough people turn to their tech literate acquaintance for advice when they want to buy hardware.

> Afaik, support for hardware accelerated videoplayback on browsers was broken across the board only three years ago.

Yes indeed, that's something we didn't have. I agree it sucks. Now, all the OSes have their flaws that others don't have, and it's not like the videos didn't play, in practice it was an issue if you wanted to watch 4K videos for hours on battery. Playing regular videos worked, and you can always lower the quality if your situation doesn't allow the higher qualities. Often enough, you could also get the video and play it outside the browser. I know, not ideal, but also way less annoying that the laptop not suspending when you close the lid because of a glitch or something like this.

> You first option is to buy a laptop with linux preinstalled

I have earnestly tried for >20 minutes trying to find such a laptop with any reputed manufacturer in my country (India) and come up empty-handed. Please suggest any that you can find. Even with Thinkpads, the only options are "Windows" or "No Operating System".

>Your second best bet is to read tech reviews.

Which tech reviews specifically point out linux support?

>Playing regular videos worked, and you can always lower the quality if your situation doesn't allow the higher qualities

The issue was never about whether playing the video worked. CPU video decoding uses much more energy and leads to your laptop running hot and draining battery life.

Can we at least agree to reduce the timeframe for things working flawlessly to "less than two years" instead of "a decade"? Yes you were able to go to the toilet downstairs but the toilet upstairs was definitely broken.

"Thinkpad linux" with region set to India on DDG yields many results, including https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/d/linux-laptops-desktops/

If buying with Linux is not an option at your place, you can always buy one of the many models found with this search without OS and install it yourself. Most thinkpads should be all right. Most elitebooks should do. Dell laptops sold with Ubuntu somewhere on the planet should do. I'm afraid I can't help nore, you'll have to do your search. Finding out which laptops are sold with Linux somewhere should not be rocket science. I don't buy laptops very often, I tend to keep my computers for a healthy amount of time, I can't say what it's like in India in 2025.

> Can we at least agree to reduce the timeframe for things working flawlessly to "less than two years" instead of "a decade"? Yes you were able to go to the toilet downstairs but the toilet upstairs was definitely broken.

No. I understand that it can be a dealbreaker for some, but that's a minor issue for me on laptops, even unplugged, and I do watch a lot of videos (for environmental reasons I tend to avoid watching videos in very high resolutions anyway, so software rendering is a bummer but not a blocker). There are still things that don't work, like Photoshop or MS Office, so you could say that it's still not flawless, still, that doesn't affect me.

>many results, including https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/d/linux-laptops-desktops/

Many results, including a US-specific page of the Lenovo website.

>If buying with Linux is not an option at your place, you can always buy one of the many models found with this search without OS and install it yourself.

>Finding out which laptops are sold with Linux somewhere should not be rocket science.

It should not. Given the amount of time I have already spent on trying to find one, it is fair to say that there are none easily available in India, at least in the consumer laptop market.

> I understand that it can be a dealbreaker for some, but that's a minor issue for me on laptops

Stockholm syndrome.

> Many results, including a US-specific page of the Lenovo website.

Are you failing to see that this US-specific page gives you a long list of models you can consider elsewhere?

> Stockholm syndrome.

Yeah, no. It just appears I have different needs than you and value different tradeoffs. It appears that the incredible comfort Linux brings me offsets the minor inconvenience software rendered browser video playback causes me.

I'm done in this discussion, we've been quite far away the kind of interesting discussions I come to HN for for a few comments now.

> Stockholm syndrome.

Stockholm Syndrome was bullshit made up on the spot to cover for the inability of the person making it up to defend their position with facts or logic, and...that fits most metaphorical uses quite well, too, though its not usually the message the metaphor is intended to communicate.

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