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With Thread+WiFi, can devices talk to the internet? Because denying them that ability is a lot of why I like Zigbee/Z-Wave.

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Wifi yes. Thread depends on the settings on the Thread Border Router. Ours defaults to no internet access.

I’m sure I’m speaking to the choir here but access to Wifi != access to the internet!

Why I’m excited about thread over wifi is that I don’t need any extra specialized gear and possibility one device could run by itself

While true, it's really hard to shop for devices that have access to WiFi without internet. It's too easy for the manufacturer to slip in the internet requirement and not put it on the box. Using other protocols makes the expectation disappear.

This is a good point I haven't considered until now. Inability for the ad-supported model to ever sneak in.

Now I'm really wondering why over wifi didn't take off.

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