The closest thing we have around here to a used tool store would be thrift shops that maybe have one broken drill, pawn shops with varying degrees of sketchiness, or rolling the dice on eBay.
The closest thing we have around here to a used tool store would be thrift shops that maybe have one broken drill, pawn shops with varying degrees of sketchiness, or rolling the dice on eBay.
Online marketplaces seem to dominate the secondhand market in the US though. Or there is a storefront but also has a big online presence.
Used tools are dirty, oily, and heavy. That's why my shop is outfitted with a lot of estate sale finds. Old people croak, and their next of kin don't want to move a half ton of steel (even to the thrift shop, who also doesn't want to move them around their store), so it ends up in the hands of people like me for near scrap prices.
Walked back to my car shaking my head. Guess they didn't want to actually sell anything.
But others are run by professional estate companies; either they know they can get certain prices online (where?) or they do some form of scam where they overprice everything and when it doesn't sell they offer some "bargain price" to clear the house out.
I get a dud once in a while, but at those prices, I still end up way ahead overall.
The only thing that has ever gone wrong on eBay for me was when a seller claimed I didn't return an expensive item that the regular price had dropped on by the original company (he was selling multiple of this item that was now $200 less than his asking price from the main supplier website). He was going to eat a couple hundred dollars so he tried to screw me over.
I sent pictures and videos of me packaging and mailing the item to eBay and got my refund. They didn't let me review the seller, though. It would've been an amazing review of that human turd.
I sold a Mavic 2 Pro drone with 5 batteries. The whole process was a mess. Scammer initially complained that it didn't come with the CrystalSky tablet in one picture (that was only added AFTER after start of bidding BY the scammer, to show Flight Logs, andwas explicitly disclaimed as not being a part of the package, nor was it in the receipts I sent the buyer). After pointing out those details, silence.
Then, three weeks later:
"The batteries don't work. I want a refund."
"Batteries? Any of them? All of them?"
"All of them, none work. I want a refund."
Note that two of the batteries were less than 4 months old, still in warranty.
He then stated he wanted a refund of $800. Realize that five brand-new batteries would only be $670.
No evidence was shown, despite multiple requests (like a video of a battery on a charger, or on the drone, failing to power up). I stated I'd like to get the original batteries back, as at least I'd be able to get them replaced under warranty or possibly repaired and recoup some of my money (I was skeptical there was -any- issue, but still, good faith). He "happily" agreed. I asked him to send me a message on eBay (so it was tracked and not avoiding their system) acknowledging that offering a partial refund was contingent on his sending me the batteries back and that he accepts me disputing the refund if not.
He sends a message indicating all of the above.
Refund is sent (for about $700, to include his return shipping costs).
Thirty-five minutes later, I get a message, "USPS says they don't ship damaged batteries, so I will not be returning them". (35 minutes? So what, you sat around waiting for the refund, and then the moment I sent the money, you jumped in your car, got to the post office, had this discussion, got home, and were able to send me this message? When your home address shows you about 15 minutes from the nearest post office?)
I then suggest we meet in person to exchange them (I live a few hours away, not convenient, but still, $700...). He umms and ahhs, "How will I be able to prove that I gave them to you in person?". I suggest we do it in a police station and point out that his local PD even welcomes people to use their lobby for CL, etc. on their website. More umms and ahhs. "I need to contact eBay support to see if they allow this." I point him to eBay's specific FAQ page describing exactly this and how they recommend doing in person sales, and refunds, documentation thereof, and how they support it. But he ignores that and says, "I never heard back from eBay support, so I'm not sure what to do". I point this page out again, and he goes silent.
I opened a dispute. No evidence was provided for damage or faulty goods, referenced the multiple requests for video, or of anything.) Multiple instances of the buyer trying to show something was problematic with the listing, not abiding by the agreement and refusing/avoiding any method of returning damaged items.
Overnight, no further inquiries.
"We have closed your dispute. Based on our review, the buyer is entitled to keep the partial refund for damage. He is also not required to return the damaged items".
So he ended up with a Mavic 2 Pro, with less than 20 hours flight time, 5 batteries, for in the order of $950, all told.
When there is a dispute or request for a refund, as a seller, the hardest part is knowing the correction action to take when these things happen. If you do the wrong thing, or do the right things in the wrong order, you unknowingly paint yourself into a corner. You basically have to be your own "ebay rules lawyer" and read _all_ the docs and policies (some of which are hard to find) as well as discussion threads.
One of the big things I do to defend myself against scammer buyers is I make it clear that I don't offer partial refunds, only full product returns where return shipping is (initially) at the buyer's expense and the shipping is reimbursed ONLY if the item is received by me in good condition. This isn't 100% protection against the kind of scam you encountered, but it's been effective for me so far.
I ask the buyer to double-check, saying that if there's still a problem, I'll refund their money and ask the Postal Inspector to investigate how the problem could've happened.
Whether it works because the person is sure to go and double-check, and thereby realizes an honest mistake, or because the complaint wasn't honest to begin with, I can only guess.
Well, there are lots of people with more money than intelligence. Knowing how to evaluate purchases for quality is a basic life skill, if you always buy whatever's available brand new you'll get taken.
People like that tend to be fairly helpless as soon as they're outside of where they feel comfortable.
I like to be charitable and say that they have more dollars than cents.
There's a healthy market for machine tools at auction, they're just not things your typical homegamer would need/want/be able to use (example: $200 for a 240/3ph drill press)
Well, products just aren't built to last these days. Just take electronic devices... for phones, if it's not an iPhone and maybe a flagship Samsung, after two years the resale value isn't much because it's either bent and scratched to hell or it won't get any more software update. For laptops it's just the same. After 2-3 years, unless it's Apple, usually the battery is shot, the hinges are worn out and the plastic body next to the touchpad is as discolored as the keyboard is.
Cars are also pretty bad. It's either "buy a new car and risk a lemon" or "buy an used car and pay the difference to a new car in repair costs", and on top of that the second-hand car market is pretty dead. You can't do much in terms of repair yourself any more on any car younger than 10-15 years when cars started to be hyper-crash-optimized computers on wheels, with a shrunken chemical factory attached to the exhaust port.
Furniture, even worse. Almost nothing is made from real raw cut lumber any more for weight and cost reasons, it's all sawdust and glue... or in IKEA's newest trend, cardboard.
Clothing for adults, that's the worst, the fast fashion/shein/... crap completely tanked the market. The stuff that you get offered is falling apart after maybe two washes.
The places where second hand still rocks are the ones where either the market is slooow moving (ham radios) or baby stuff because babies grow out of stuff and need new stuff so fast that it doesn't really make sense.
We _used_ to have a warehouse-sized second-chance store for home items and building materials. It was run by the city and all items were donated. Prices on most everything was very reasonable and all the funds went towards running the store and maintaining the city's other recycling programs. It was great. Every time I went in there, I came out with something awesome and only a slightly lighter wallet. (Generally tools or lumber.) Unfortunately, they shut it down at the start of COVID for unclear reasons and never reopened.
I suppose this is true enough, in terms of risk, when you're talking about yard sales etc. But I'm perfectly comfortable buying from places that screen, test, and possibly even refurbish the incoming inventory before reselling it. I've bought many cell phones from resellers like this online, and I find that pawn and thift shops generally do a good job at this.
If you find some old commercial grade tools (like a general contractor might've bought decades ago), the ones I've used are built like tanks, and a given one probably works fine.
Then actually come to the US instead of making assumptions and you will see that it most definitely does!