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Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College

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> [...] where his parents run a college-prep consulting business [...]

This is helping affluent students game admission to prestigious schools?

> [...] proceeded to use generative artificial intelligence to cheat on nearly every assignment.

So, is gaming graduation at a prestigious school a natural outgrowth of gaming admission?

> What if they built a program that hid AI from browsers during remote job interviews so that interviewees could cheat their way through instead?

And gaming the job interview, after you cheat your way to admission and graduation.

Why not just dispense with all the theatre? Let rich kids party and hook up for 4 years, and then hand them a well-paying career. Leave university for the people who value it.

"Let rich kids party and hook up for 4 years, and then hand them a well-paying career."

It's been done, of course (by their parents in those cases).

It's been cynically suggested that certain prestigious schools are primarily social clubs for the children of the rich and powerful, and that the schools let in some academically excellent students to confer an aura of merit around the ruling class. :)

The answer of course is to do stuff in person, under appropriate surveillance.

In my part of the world, any high stake test will be done in person, always. This has always been the case as people can and will get help otherwise (LLMs or not).

Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43914834

Reminds me of when a fellow student asked me why I did so well on tests? I said I take AI Smart pills. His eyes bulged and I said, sure, they are $10 each - how many do you want? He said 10 and gave me $100. I said OK. BTW - I have a pet rabbit, so I went home and got 10 - and gave them to him = he gulped them down - gagging a little. Hm, tasted like rabbit shit - I said, see, smarter already...

That said, when I was in College we had test tables about 8 feet apart set up in the numerous gyms, they started the exams at the set time. They had about a dozen invigilators walking about looking for crib sheets, whispers etc = I think these will make a comeback. We also need to make Faraday shields on the walls/windows/roofs/doors. They have a clear RF shield for windows with a very thin tin layer allowing about 85% light and zero RF. These can be set up as panels, laid down and taken up. This would block iphones/Android from accessing remote resources. These bright AI enabled fools would be 'cut off at the knees' when their AI ubermenchen failed the task = smarter already....

> As a coder, he had spent some 600 miserable hours on LeetCode, [...] What if they built a program that hid AI from browsers during remote job interviews so that interviewees could cheat their way through instead?

All this time, I've been declining LeetCode interviews, and encouraging others to.

But one of the ways that pushback is undermined is by cheating.

Why have principles about interviewing, when you can selfishly profit, by having even less principles about honesty.

I'm not sure, but I had the impression it used to be that college students were among the most likely to do things on-principle. Protests for good causes, for example.

I feel like the endgame here is that the diploma will no longer be a decent proxy for skill. You're going to have to interview everyone thoroughly regardless of their degree status.

And college will become just 4 years of intensive, broad training for people who really want to get an edge.

Which doesn't sound so bad to me, actually.

Why is this here? This is basically self promoting stuff.

I couldn’t imagine trying to write papers in the age of AI. Glad that I finished college years ago.

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